Listener feedback

MARY REICHARD, HOST: Today is Friday, May 24th. Good morning! This is The World and Everything in It from listener-supported WORLD Radio. I’m Mary Reichard.

NICK EICHER, HOST: And I’m Nick Eicher. It’s the fourth Friday of the month, and you know what that means, Mary.

REICHARD: Listener feedback!

EICHER: That’s exactly right. And to help us with this we have Managing Editor J.C. Derrick. He’s here on-site at Dordt University for the World Journalism Institute. Morning, J.C.!

DERRICK: Morning! It’s great to be sitting here with you. We don’t get to do that often.

EICHER: That’s right. Normally, I’m in Missouri, you’re in Texas.

REICHARD: Well, I’m not part of that party! I’m still here in Missouri. So let’s go right to corrections. Mark Harrison wrote in about our report on the shooting at the University of North Carolina at Charlotte. He took particular interest in the story, because his son is a student there.

And we said the shooting occurred on the last day of class, which was true. But we said that was a Wednesday, and it was actually a Tuesday.

EICHER: After Monday’s program, an amateur radio operator wrote to point out two errors in our History Book story on Samuel Morse. During his first public telegraph demonstration he sent a four-word message: “What hath God wrought.” However, in our story, the Morse Code sample playing in the background flipped two of the words.

Also, that recording featured International Morse Code instead of Morse’s original system of dots and dashes. Listener Mitch Collinsworth is a listener — he learned Morse Code 50 years ago as a boy and the mistake to him was obvious …

REICHARD: I think that’s awesome! Next up, a listener who speaks Chinese critiques your Chinese pronunciation, Nick.

AUDIO: Hi, my name is Josh Wyss, and I wanted to say that I greatly appreciate the effort the team puts in to the breadth of the stories that are covered on The World and Everything in It.

On the May 15th episode Nick Eicher incorrectly said that the currency of China is the yuan [WON]. The currency of South Korea is the Won. The currency of China—also known as the People’s Republic of China—is the yuan [YU-an]. You can easily pronounce it by saying “you-and.” Just subtract the ‘d’ sound to make: YU-an.

EICHER: OK, that is helpful. I’m always eager to make new mistakes. That’s our corollary rule for don’t make the same mistake twice.

REICHARD: You an me both! And one more correction before we move on. On Thursday’s newscast we mentioned Governor Kevin Stitt. But, we put him in the wrong state! Kevin Stitt is the governor of Oklahoma, not Arkansas.

DERRICK: OK, with the corrections out of the way, now on to some criticism …

REICHARD: Surely not!

DERRICK: Oh, yes. We heard from several of you who were concerned about a music feature a couple of weeks ago. It involved two popular, contemporary Christian songs that have come out of Bethel Church.

Now, a little background. Bethel Church is a charismatic megachurch in Redding, California. It left the Assemblies of God denomination about 15 years ago. It’s now nondenominational. And the church has a music label called Bethel Music.

The concerns boiled down to this: Why would you promote Bethel Church?

Well, the short answer is that we didn’t intend to. As journalists, we cover lots of things and people that we disagree with and aren’t endorsing. Similar to the way Megan Basham sometimes reviews R-rated movies. Those aren’t recommendations.

So that’s a journalistic point. A theological point would be that the songs themselves weren’t heretical—and they are heard widely on Christian radio and even sung in churches.


EICHER: There’s always a but…

DERRICK: Yeah, the “but” is that we weren’t aware of the full extent of the theological problems here. Bethel Church is not orthodox. And so if we had it to do over again, we would handle it differently.

EICHER: Yeah, and if you want to read more on this topic, we’ll post some helpful links at worldandeverything-dot-org, right here in this transcript (see here, here and here).

REICHARD: OK, next we have some fun, constructive criticism from Dimitri. He recorded his feedback and emailed it to us.

AUDIO: Hi, my name is Dimitri. I’m a father of four from Peachtree City, Georgia. I just have to channel my inner George Grant to call you out on your Monday Moneybeat report on the 20th. You stated that the, quote—“That Commerce Department retail-sales report has been a see-saw this year, quite literally.”

I’m fairly certain the sales report does not become a piece of playground equipment this year and that you meant figuratively. I might have been literally shocked at such misuse of the English language by my favorite podcast. But thankfully I was nowhere near any downed power lines. Seriously though, I listen to you every day, frequently with my daughters and I particularly enjoy the summaries of Supreme Court hearings and rulings.

Thanks, Dimitri!

EICHER: Scorched twice in a single segment. Literally, I think that’s a burn!

DERRICK: OK, now for some love! We’ve had a very positive response to Kim Henderson’s recent commentaries. The most common thing I’ve heard is: She reminds of Andrée Seu Peterson.

REICHARD: That’s exactly what I thought!

DERRICK: You’re not alone! Our Editor-in-Chief Marvin Olasky said the same thing.

EICHER: Listener Megan Fowler wrote us an email about Kim, because she says she didn’t think she could leave her comments on the feedback line without crying. She called Kim’s piece about her widowed friend “deeply moving.”

She wrote that just two days after Kim’s piece aired, a dear friend held her husband as he slipped away into the presence of Jesus. Amy (Megan’s friend) is 41, almost the same age as Kim’s friend.

And Megan went on to say, “The details Kim shared about her friend’s grief informed the way [Megan] now prays for Amy. And when she prays, she also prays for Kim’s friend.”

REICHARD: Wow. Fellowship of believers. That’s powerful. And it reminds me of why we do what we do.

DERRICK: Absolutely. Now to a call from our listener feedback line.

AUDIO: Hi, my name is Ian. I listen from Western Massachusetts. Love the program. Listen to it every day. I just wanted to say thank you to Mindy Belz for her piece. I just listened to just now on World Tour. She’s doing a great job with the reporting. And just like listening to that segment and her stories as well. Thanks and keep it up.

DERRICK: Before we go, I’d like to also mention one other thing. You may recall at our Dallas event earlier this month I said we’d get blog links posted in our program notes, under the description. You may also remember that I said I’m not a super tech-savvy millennial?


REICHARD: Sounds ominous.

DERRICK Yeah, well, it wasn’t a mistake to say we’ll start posting the links. We will! But I should not have promised to get it done by the end of this month. I had no idea it would require re-programming our posting system, which is not easy.

So it is on the way, but it’ll take us some more time to get set up. Thanks for your patience!

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3 comments on Listener feedback

  1. Steve Mork says:

    Dear TWE,
    I was SO disappointed with your response to negative comments about Bethel Church on Friday. Especially since these comments were generated solely because you played a couple of Bethel songs! JC Derrick’s statement “Bethel Church is not orthodox“ is particularly disturbing. I have been a World member for sometime now, and this is the first time that I believe that you have stepped over the line. I could write a point by point essay on all of the alleged heresies cited in your sources, but it would just be too long. Let me just summarize by saying that the main objections were based on a misunderstanding of what was written in Bill’s books. One was based on an unsourced allegation, and should never have been included by a responsible journalist. The rest seemed to be only citing some of the phenomena that has occurred at Bethel. The implication seemed to be that these things obviously cannot happen, therefore they must be liars. How sad that the church of Jesus Christ has come to a place where they automatically reject the miraculous! The idea that we can only accept as real things that have examples written in scripture was one that I had to reject long ago. God is indeed sovereign, and he can indeed do whatever he pleases. I can definitely assure you that on the essentials of the Christian faith (I.e. the Trinity, the sovereignty of God, the inerrancy of Scripture, etc.) are absolute bed rock at Bethel Church in Redding. I was always under the belief that in essentials there should be unity, in nonessentials liberty, and in all things charity. Please, let us not divide ourselves as believers based on whether God still does miracles or not! Thank you for the excellent work that you do at World. Please do your best to stay out of Satan‘s attempts to divide the body of Christ.
    Yours in Christ,
    Steve Mork

    1. Terry Reeder says:

      Thank you, Steve, for your thoughtful response to this issue. I, also, was DEEPLY GRIEVED when I heard JC, Nick and Mary’s discussion. Although I wanted to just dismiss the conversation as “agree to disagree,” since then, I’ve been continually prompted to respond, as well. I think, to a great degree, this disagreement is rooted in the debate between cessationism and continuationism. The vitriol that I have witnessed within the body of Christ over this matter reminds me to a great degree of the deep political division we are experiencing in our country today. The body of Christ is to be known by our love for each other; indeed, it is the way the world around us will identify us as disciples of Jesus. (John 13:34-35) I was pleased that WNG did a segment like this in the first place, and I pray that they do more in the future.
      Keep up the great work, WNG!

  2. Monica Schumann says:

    Thanks for posting the links about Bethel. It was helpful to see what people are against, although I don’t agree with them. However, I didn’t understand the link to the American Gospel. Perhaps that is because I haven’t seen the movie. Personally I would not but Bethel and Bill Johnson in the same category with prosperity teachers. Maybe you can explain to me why you put this link in.
    I’m a faithful listener and I greatly appreciate all of your podcasts and your journalism.
    Monica Schumann

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