The World and Everything in It — March 30, 2020


MARY REICHARD, HOST: Good morning!

A young man under deportation orders takes his case to the Supreme Court. But the government’s argument against him may be one it ought not to be making—at least according to one of the justices.

NICK EICHER, HOST: That’s ahead today on Legal Docket.

Also, an extended Monday Moneybeat. We’ll take you through the big stimulus package the president signed right before the weekend.

And Kim Henderson on things you can count on in this life.

REICHARD: It’s Monday, March 30th. This is The World and Everything in It from listener-supported WORLD Radio. I’m Mary Reichard.

EICHER: And I’m Nick Eicher. Good morning!

REICHARD: Up next, Kent Covington with today’s news.


KENT COVINGTON, NEWS ANCHOR: CDC issues travel advisory for NYC area » President Trump has backed away from a mandatory quarantine of the New York City “Tri-State” area, including New Jersey and Connecticut. 

Instead, the CDC issued a “strong Travel Advisory” to curb the spread of the coronavirus outbreak.

Treasury Secretary Steve Mnuchin told reporters Sunday…

MNUCHIN: The president did very seriously consider it. The task force met yesterday with the vice president. It was the unanimous recommendation of the task force to go forward with the advisory. 

The New York City region remains the U.S. epicenter of the virus, causing some residents to flee the area. In turn, some governors outside the Tri-State region have called for a quarantine of the area. The region right now accounts for about 56 percent of all new cases in the country.

Governors of states that would’ve been subject to that quarantine warned it would spark panic. But New Jersey Governor Phil Murphy, a Democrat, told ABC’s This Week that understands the travel advisory. 

MURPHY: Well, it’s a travel advisory, so we take that seriously, and execute it by the states. And that’s something that, as I say, is de facto happening already. And we’ll make sure—listen, we are pounding the table, morning, noon and night—stay home, stay home, stay home.

Hospital ship to arrive in Manhattan today » Meantime, more help is on the way for the beleaguered New York health system. A 1,000-bed Navy hospital ship is scheduled to arrive at a Manhattan pier today. 

President Trump spoke in front of the USNS Comfort in Norfolk, Virginia, over the weekend before it began its trek up the eastern seaboard. 

TRUMP: This great ship behind me is a 70,000-ton message of hope and solidarity to the incredible people of New York. 

The Comfort had been undergoing planned maintenance, but the Navy rushed it back into service amid the virus outbreak. Its sister ship, the USNS Mercy, arrived in Los Angeles a week ago on a similar mission.

The Comfort will serve as a community hospital, treating people who are not infected with the coronavirus to free up more beds at New York hospitals. 

Trump extends social-distancing guidelines, Birx issues warning » President Trump on Sunday extended the government’s social-distancing guidelines through the end of next month. He previously stated he hoped to be able to relax the guidelines by Easter Sunday, April 12th, but the outbreak is still growing. 

And the coordinator of the White House coronavirus response team issued a grim warning on Sunday. Dr. Deborah Birx told NBC’s Meet the Press

BIRX: No state, no metro area will be spared. And the sooner we react, and the sooner the states and the metro areas react and ensure that they put in full mitigation, at the same time understanding exactly what their hospitals need, then we’ll be able to move forward together and protect the most Americans. 

She said health officials are studying New York to figure out how to better respond to major outbreaks in other big cities.

Meantime, Dr. Anthony Fauci said computer models are yielding sobering projections. Fauci is the U.S. government’s top infectious-disease expert. He said right now, U.S. models suggest the virus will infect millions of Americans and could kill more than a 100,000. 

Many question China’s accounting of coronavirus cases » Some experts are accusing China of playing with the numbers as it looks to recast its image into a global leader in fighting the coronavirus. Among the accusations: the Communist government is hiding a large number of asymptomatic cases. 

The Financial Times reported healthcare workers in Wuhan are privately revealing their concerns. It reports that one nurse said officials at the “[National] Health Commission are using all their means to control the new case count.”

Arkansas Senator Tom Cotton on Sunday said he’s not buying China’s math.

COTTON: Look at some of the mortuaries in Wuhan itself. They say they’ve only had 2,500 cases that have resulted in death or so. Yet a single mortuary has ordered more than 5,000 urns. 

He also noted that while China recently claimed no new cases in Wuhan, the government has closed down all movie theaters only days after reopening them.

China reported just 45 new cases nationwide on Sunday. Overall it claims a total of less than 82,000 cases and 3,300 deaths. 

Former U.S. Senator Coburn dies at 72 » Former U.S. senator Tom Coburn has died. The longtime Oklahoma lawmaker lost his battle against prostate cancer at age 72. 

Coburn was a physician and served in the Senate from 2005 to 2015 and the House from 1995 to 2001. He was an outspoken fiscal hawk who drew attention to egregious federal spending in his annual “Wastebook.” 

In a 2017 interview with WORLD, Coburn cited the Bible verse he relied on the most, which is especially appropriate in these times: Philippians 4:6 and 7.  

COBURN: Be anxious for nothing but everything through prayer and supplication let your request be made known to God, and the peace that passes all understanding will guard your heart in mind in Christ Jesus. 

Coburn’s family released a statement Saturday morning, saying, “Because of his strong faith, he rested in the hope found in John chapter 11 verse 25 where Jesus said, ‘I am the resurrection and the life. The one who believes in me, will live, even though they die.’ Today he lives in heaven.”

I’m Kent Covington. Straight ahead: Mary Reichard has the latest on a fascinating immigration case before the Supreme Court.

Plus, Kim Henderson welcomes her new grandson into a topsy-turvy world.

This is The World and Everything in It.


NICK EICHER: It’s Monday morning and we are back for another week of The World and Everything in It. Today is the 30th of March, 2020. Good morning to you, I’m Nick Eicher.

MARY REICHARD: And I’m Mary Reichard. With all the stay-home orders around the country, I sure hope you’re doing well and redeeming the time.

Whether you’re reading some good books, watching some good movies, reading your Bible more, learning another language … however you’re spending the time, I hope it’ll prove profitable to you.

You know, even with a lot of sad news we hear and frightening news out there, we always want to find ways to lift one another up. 

By the way, you know, it’s encouraging to all of us to hear the intros to the program, the prerolls, telling us how you’re coping with the lockdown. They’ve been great. Keep ’em coming.

EICHER: Right, I love hearing those! 

It’s amazing how starved we are for connection. I’ve lived in my neighborhood for two decades, and this weekend the weather was particularly nice, so we went out on a walk. And although we stayed socially distanced, I enjoyed half a dozen or more nice conversations with people I’d never met. CONVERSATIONS LIKE THIS! But conversations nonetheless.

Social life is being taken from us and I hope we don’t forget these days and take it for granted once again when this whole thing is over.

REICHARD: I’m also grateful that we can do our work remotely, even with the little bit of cabin fever I’m experiencing, too! It’s such a balm to keep doing this every day, to have something normal to do, and be an encouragement to you.

EICHER: And, yes, so far, so good. We have no cases among our staff (that we’re aware of), so we haven’t lost our ability to talk. That’s important. We’re grateful to be able to keep our lines of communication open, and we’re grateful for you, too, listening to WORLD, reading WORLD, and sharing with friends.

REICHARD: Well, Nick, the Supreme Court is still on hiatus from oral arguments until further notice. We do, however, expect opinions this morning. Those I will summarize tomorrow.

No surprise, the COVID-19 shutdown is causing all sorts of disruptions in the legal system. The American Bar Association has called upon the federal government to deem legal services “essential” and keep operations going.

Meantime, the Department of Justice reopened some immigration courts in bigger cities. And that move caused lawyers to have to scramble to file documents to meet deadlines that came and went while those courts had been closed!

EICHER: As for the Supreme Court, Mary, 20 oral arguments left to hear. Those cases are certainly in limbo. 

Any word on rescheduling?

REICHARD: Not yet. You know, there’s no rule that dictates what the court has to do. It’s not called the Supreme Court for nothing. I suppose the justices could simply decide the cases without argument. They do that already in some cases.

Another possibility is putting off arguments until next fall. They could hear arguments with just the lawyers in the courtroom and otherwise close it off.

EICHER: Alright, well, we still have a few oral arguments in our pipeline to tell you about: One is a terribly sad story of two teenagers chased to the edge of a cliff in Lebanon.

The case involves a boy named Nidal Nasrallah. He lived with his family in a mountainous region around Beirut. That’s where most of the country’s Druze live. The Druze are a religious minority that makes up about 5 percent of the population. 

Nasrallah’s parents warned him to avoid the terrorists of Hezbollah. To them, he’d be considered an infidel.

In 2005, Nasrallah was 16 years old. He was out hiking with a friend, when they ran into uniformed Hezbollah. The militants were armed, of course. 

They yelled at the boys, fired their weapons, and chased them to the edge of a cliff. 

Out of better options, they jumped. Nasrallah broke his back. He recovered, and a year later came to the United States on a tourist visa.

REICHARD: Eventually he became a lawful permanent resident, found a job, and earned a college degree.

But he did get into some trouble. He pleaded guilty to receiving stolen cigarettes, worth over a half-million dollars in resale. For that, he served a year in prison. But the BIA, the Board of Immigration Appeals, deemed Nasrallah’s crime one of “moral turpitude,” and ordered him deported. 

Nasrallah points to a treaty called the Convention Against Torture that protects him from deportation. That treaty says if someone is more likely than not to be persecuted or tortured upon return, then deportation can be deferred.

But when he appealed the BIA decision, he ran into another obstacle.

The appeals court said it lacked authority to review the BIA’s version of the facts: crucially, that Nasrallah would not be in danger if immigration authorities returned him to Lebanon.

So that’s the legal question now: Do the federal courts have jurisdiction to review the BIA’s fact-finding?

Assistant to the US Solicitor General Matthew Guarnieri argued they do not. You’ll hear Justice Brett Kavanaugh ask Guarnieri about the Convention Against Torture treaty by using the acronym “CAT.”

KAVANAUGH: Why would Congress have wanted to preclude judicial review of those highly important factual components of a CAT claim?

GUARNIERI: Justice Kavanaugh, the same could be said with respect to an alien’s claims for asylum or to statutory withholding of removal.

The lawyer argued the law is clearly on the government’s side. It says, “No court shall have jurisdiction to review any final order of removal against an alien who is removable.” 

But Justice Neil Gorsuch was skeptical. He even invoked Christian doctrine in this exchange with Guarnieri:

GORSUCH: Once the government concedes, as I think it must, right, that a CAT order … is not the same thing as a final order of removal, why isn’t that seriously problematic …?

GUARNIERI: Justice Gorsuch, we think it is part of the final order of removal, It is an integral and constituent part of the final order of removal. That—

GORSUCH: Part of and integral to, but distinct from. How is that?

GUARNIERI: It’s distinct from the order of removal in the legal sense.

GORSUCH: Sounds pretty metaphysical, counsel. I mean, it’s integral to and part of but distinct from. It’s like the Holy Trinity. (Laughter)

Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg asked whether Nasrallah could be deported somewhere else, somewhere other than Lebanon. 

Guarnieri said yes, he could, but Justice Samuel Alito had concerns with that.

ALITO: Does it matter whether he’s, where he is, uh, his country of citizenship, where he was born, where he has a residence? Would any of those apply to Mr. Nasrallah?

GUARNIERI: I—I don’t know that there have been any administrative proceedings in this particular case to identify an alternative country of removal, but—

ALITO: So it would have to be—

GUARNIERI: … certainly that would be in the analysis.

ALITO: — a country that would accept him? Some country with which he has no connection would have to accept him.

GUARNIERI: That’s correct. That’s correct.

Nasrallah’s lawyer argued this isn’t that hard: Deportation is one thing, the CAT treaty, the Convention Against Torture, is another. His client ought to be able to stay.

My read here, based on the justices’ questions, I think the court’s leaning in favor of Nasrallah.

The tension here is between the government’s power quickly to deport asylum seekers without court review, versus due-process guarantees.

The circuit courts of appeals around the country have different views. It’s a classic circuit split that the high court really needs to clear up.

And that’s this week’s Legal Docket.


MARY REICHARD: Coming up next on The World and Everything in It: The Monday Moneybeat.

NICK EICHER: On Friday, the House made it official. President Trump put his signature on it, and it became law: the biggest-ever economic rescue package, about $2 trillion in aid in the form of loans, some forgivable, some not—as well as supplemental assistance and direct aid. 

These days, the federal government takes in about $3 trillion in tax revenue and spends about $4 trillion. Now, we’ve tacked on another $2 trillion in debt, following an unprecedented and government-ordered shutdown of most non-essential economic activity.

The big package Friday is the third, and probably not the last, installment of emergency aid as we deal with the coronavirus crisis.

I’ll turn now to David Bahnsen, financial adviser and analyst with offices in New York and California. As he has been lately, David’s sheltered in place at his home in southern California. We’ve made a digital connection to his home office there. 

David, I’m grateful to you for making time to keep us updated during this crisis time. Good morning to you.

DAVID BAHNSEN, GUEST: Good morning. It’s amazing how much more time there is for things like this when you can’t leave your house.

EICHER: Yes, quality time to study legislation. So now you’ve had time to look over the $2 trillion-plus in new spending we’ve just authorized… 

And it was interesting to me: The president remarked that he hadn’t signed something with a “T” on it—meaning trillion. And here this one had two of them.

So let’s just sort of run through this. How do you break this down?

BAHNSEN: Well, the way that the bill itself—HR 748—is written, it’s formulated around four categories and I’ve done all my analysis and commentary on the stimulus bill around the same four categories they use—which are direct-to-taxpayer support, small business support, big business support, and healthcare support.

EICHER: Do you want to walk through those one, two, three, four like that, starting with direct-to-taxpayer?

BAHNSEN: I’m happy to. It’s reasonably simple. There are certainly nuances that are in each sub-category, but as a general breakdown where the lowest hanging fruit is, the direct-to-taxpayer support is primarily around literal checks that they will be sending: $1,200 per adult and $500 per kid up to a family of four. So, $3,400 for a family that makes less than $150,000 a year. 

It phases down a little bit from that up to $199,000 a year. Any married couple family with over $200,000 income won’t receive anything. And then you can cut those numbers in half for a single. So, that’s direct-to-taxpayer cash on hand.

And then there’s other things on a support basis such as student loan payment suspension and mortgage payment suspension and then money in their pocket is the biggest issue on direct-to-taxpayer support.

EICHER: Let’s talk about support for business, your choice, small or big business first?

BAHNSEN: Let’s do the small business next because this is by far, I think, the most important part of the bill. 

And it has a lot of leverage behind it and where the Fed is going to come in and this is certainly, I think, that most people don’t understand and it’s the area that’s going to be most impactful to the economy. 

But, essentially, any business that has been interrupted by COVID-19, which is basically every business. And the goal is basically to keep their payrolls going. They continue paying rent. They continue paying health benefits. 

I should have mentioned, Nick, I apologize, in the first front of direct-to-taxpayer support, quite massive extensions of unemployment insurance. Going up through four months. Originally, the bill had three months and Chuck Schumer successfully negotiated for an extra month, up to $600 per week of unemployment coverage. 

But the more small businesses that do not lay people off, the less unemployment claims there will be. So there’s sort of a tit for tat in this. And then those loans will be forgiven to these small businesses, provided that they keep these people on their payroll. So, there’s a kind of trickle down benefit in that the more people still paying rent, the less strain that is on landlords, the less they’re laying people off, and so it kind of helps to contain. We’re so used to talking about health contagion. This is sort of an economic contagion it’s seeking to control.

EICHER: And we need only look at the 3.3 million weekly unemployment claims last week. That’s unprecedented. 

Going all the way back to 1967 when we started keeping track, the median’s just below 330,000 per week. Math’s easy on that. 

The highest in history was a single week in 1982, when initial unemployment claims were a million. So it’s three times that outlier number!

BAHNSEN: Absolutely, it’s interesting. I don’t want to say the word funny about anything here, but it’s interesting because the stock market was up 1,300 points the day this came out and it was a tremendous reinforcement of the principle that stock markets are always and forever pricing things in. 

The fact of the matter is I had no less than 10 very well connected Wall Streeters, economists, analysts, high-level people that were whispering the number was going to be closer to 7 million. So 3.3, even though they officially had said they think it’s going to be as bad as 1.5 and it was more than double that, it was actually about half as bad as many people were saying. 1.5 million and 7 million and anything in between, it’s all cataclysmic bad. 

Now, it is the worst number we’re going to see, OK? And I mean this. It gets all better from here because there was such a massive amount that were the one-shot Juanitas the very first week of those bars, restaurants, shopping stores, etc. closing. The numbers are going to be really bad going forward, but at least in some trajectory start to go down.

EICHER: Alright, we’ve covered direct aid. We’ve covered small business, David. What about the big-business provisions?

BAHNSEN: So, this is much more complicated because these are not forgivable loans. This money will have to be paid back, but it’s a pretty substantial amount of money, primarily targeted at airlines. But then other directly troubled industries, which are really going to primarily be in the hospitality, hotel sector and the cruise line sector. And there they can apply for loans directly from the Treasury. 

And then they basically have to agree to certain conditions, compensation limits for executive pay, not doing any stock buybacks for the term of the loan, and a year after, they settled on one year—suspending dividend payments, things like that. All pretty reasonable requests given the circumstances.

But these numbers do have to be paid back and there will be some warrants that the taxpayers will receive, which is essentially a shared-equity participation. So going forward profits, when everybody comes on the other side of this, will filter into the Treasury as well.

EICHER: And then that final tranche of funding: healthcare.

BAHNSEN: Yeah, and this is really, really important. And, of course, because I am such a federalist, I think the more of this that gets directed to state than local, the more effective it will end up being. I don’t have a really high amount of confidence that they’ll get all of this right, but direct support to hospitals for equipment, for supplies. $110 billion is going to buy you an awful lot of supplies and so I just pray that a lot of that stuff doesn’t get lost in bureaucracy.

EICHER: David Bahnsen, financial analyst and adviser, again grateful to you for giving us this time during this unique time of crisis. David, thanks.

BAHNSEN: Thank you.


NICK EICHER: Today is Monday, March 30. You’re listening to WORLD Radio and we are so glad you are. Good morning. I’m Nick Eicher.

MARY REICHARD: And I’m Mary Reichard. Coming next on The World and Everything in It: the WORLD History Book.

In 2015, Islamic terrorists attack a college in Kenya. 

Plus, two decades ago, more than 100,000 people protest a controversial tax in London.

EICHER: But first, 50 years ago this week, a small American automaker goes fender-to-fender with foreign imports. It releases a competitive subcompact car—and succeeds—at least for a time.

Here’s Paul Butler.

PAUL BUTLER, REPORTER: In the 1950s, Japan’s Toyota began exporting cars to America. While the first model was not very successful, it was strong enough to encourage other foreign auto producers to follow suit. Then in the 19-60’s, Americans swarmed to a cute import from Germany—the VW Bug. 

COMMERCIAL: Ever wish you owned a Volkswagen? 

The Bug’s popularity quickly ate into domestic U.S. auto sales. That worried the big three Detroit producers. But a small American auto company saw an opportunity and on April 1st, 1970, released its answer to the VW Bug:

COMMERCIAL: American Motors introduces the Gremlin…

BICKETT: This just tells you about American ingenuity. Dick Teague designed the Gremlin on the back of a barf bag coming back from a trip to California…

Scott Bicket is a car collector and enthusiast near Princeton, Illinois:

BICKETT: There was a problem. Gas was becoming more expensive. Kids that wanted to get a car, couldn’t afford the gas. So they got a smaller car with better gas [mileage] and it was an answer to a problem, and American’s fixed it. 

The AMC Gremlin provides more leg room and shoulder room for passengers than the Bug. It gets a little better gas mileage, and also offers more power than the popular import.

The first Gremlins cost less than $2,000 and are available in two-seat and four-seat models. 

BICKETT: When I get into my Gremlin and I drive it down the road, your head is going to be on a swivel. You’re going to look and you’re going to look again. “What is that? I haven’t seen one…” If I go to get gas, I’m going to be there for at least twenty minutes. It’s been over 50 years now, and it’s still not a car that anything compares to. You can’t look at it and go: “That’s similar to…” No it’s not. It’s not similar to anything.

AMC sells over 670,000 Gremlins during the eight year production run—making the once small car-maker, an industry leader.

[DOWN THE HIGHWAY by B.T.O.]

Next, March 31st, 1990. Protesters upset over the new “Poll Tax” fill the streets around London’s Trafalgar Square: 

NEWSCLIP: Good evening, more than 100 people have been injured tonight in serious rioting across central London. 

Before 1990, local governments across the United Kingdom were funded in part by property taxes called: “rates.” As these taxes were based on private property values, districts with a higher than average number of renters had to tax homeowners more heavily to fund community services. 

The Conservative government, led by Margret Thatcher, proposes the poll tax as a fair, flat tax on all residents in a community. It makes sense on paper, but enforcement proves difficult, and unpopular. While many homeowners benefit from the change, some have to pay more—and renters who hadn’t had to pay anything before, protest the change.

NEWSCLIP: Then the looting bega. Shop windows were broken and bottles grabbed.

The largest and deadliest protest occurs at the end of March, 1990.   

NEWSCLIP: Nearby, protestors climbed onto scaffolding, egging on people below.  

After the riots, many conservative government ministers join the Labor Party in calls to abolish the new tax. As it is a key element in Prime Minister Thatcher’s governing policy, she is determined to keep it. Party confidence in her leadership weakens and less than 8 months later, she resigns as Prime Minister. 

And finally, April 2nd, 2015. 

NEWSCLIP: A group of armed men have stormed a university compound in Garissa—a town in a Northeastern province of Kenya…

Just after 5 a.m. gunmen ambush two unarmed Garissa University College guards. They enter the classrooms and dormitories, and begin killing Christian students. Kenyan president Uhuru Kenyatta:  

PRESIDENT: I extend condolences to the families of those who perished in this attack. We continue to pray for the quick recovery of the injured and the safe rescue of those still being held hostage.

Al-Shabaab claims responsibility—citing persecution and military action against Somalia muslims as the motivation for the attack. The standoff lasts 15 hours before sharpshooters eventually kill the four gunmen. 142 students are dead, 79 wounded.

The Garissa campus re-opens a month later, with heightened security, but most students refuse to return. Instead, 650 transfer to Moi University in Eldoret to finish out their studies. They are warmly welcomed by fellow students.

STUDENT: Our message to our brothers as they come in is that not all is lost. The reason we are receiving them today is to give them hope, that together we are going to join hands to shake the limits of our destiny.

The Garissa University College massacre remains the second deadliest terrorist attack in Kenya’s history and it led to increased school security protocols nationwide.

That’s this week’s WORLD History Book, I’m Paul Butler.


MARY REICHARD: Today is Monday, March 30. Good morning! This is The World and Everything in It from listener-supported WORLD Radio. I’m Mary Reichard.

NICK EICHER: And I’m Nick Eicher. WORLD commentator Kim Henderson’s got some good news to share.

KIM HENDERSON, COMMENTATOR: Talk about grand entrances. Our newest grand-guy decided to make his entrance five weeks early in the middle of a pandemic. I just wonder what he has up his sleeve next.

As far as births go, this one was definitely different. The threat of COVID-19 colored everything, from who got to meet the new little fellow (that would be no one) to jokes about a possible name. “Have you considered Cory(ona)?”

The new parents had to do the hospital scene alone. No visitors to sweat it out in the waiting room. No chance to watch the three big sisters ooh and ahh at the nursery window. They were quarantined on the second floor, making round-the-clock treks to the NICU. The wonder of FaceTime allowed them to show us Little Man’s progress.

Meanwhile, life was happening. We had two students home for spring break. Three little girls to keep alive. Parents to check on.

And toilet paper to procure.

Saturday morning I beat a linebacker-looking guy to Walmart’s last package, a pricey 12-pack of Northern mega rolls. While I was laying claim to this prize, my competitor had the gall to mention he’d seen nary a square between there and his home an hour away. I felt a little bad about that.

I felt a little bad another day as well. Some sort of stomach bug hit us and hit us hard. So we added that layer to the story, in addition to all the regular stuff involved with keeping grandchildren occupied, things like peeling playdough off your jute rug and trying to teach them to finish the edges of a jigsaw puzzle first. 

But the good thing about cooking meals for eight is you don’t have time to read many headlines. I did manage to see a catchy one describing COVID-19 symptoms: “This virus just has the whole kit and caboodle.”

It could just as well describe its reach. This threat has touched the whole kit and caboodle of our lives.

And that’s why worship words I heard live-streamed Sunday morning are the kind to take hold of and take heart in. They focused on a Baptist confession written in 1689 for people who knew a thing or two about plagues and wars and fires that destroy whole cities. No wishy-washy God talk then.

With Scripture to back them up, the confessors proclaimed God as a “good Creator” who doth “uphold, direct, dispose, and govern all creatures and things.” All things. In a modern translation, that would have to include COVID-19.    

I choose to hang my hat and hope on that.

So, welcome to the quaranteam, Little James, and to the world, with all its close calls and hopes of a stimulus package and runs on Lysol. It’s a bit topsy-turvy now, but God has a way of making all things right. And when He does, it will be for believers’ good and His glory.

You can count on that.

I’m Kim Henderson.


NICK EICHER: Tomorrow: Restaurants have been hit especially hard by shelter-in-place orders across the country. We’ll hear from some that are suffering and a few that aren’t.

And, making protective gear for healthcare workers at the grassroots level. We’ll tell you about it.

That and more tomorrow. 

I’m Nick Eicher.

MARY REICHARD: And I’m Mary Reichard.

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