The World and Everything in It — May 18, 2020


BRIAN BASHAM, HOST: Good morning! 

Today on Legal Docket, the Supreme Court considers a religious-liberty case likely to have a big effect on how religious institutions operate.

NICK EICHER, HOST: And today on the Monday Moneybeat, we’ll dive into dismal retail-sales numbers and touch on government policy to help the economy through all this.

Plus, the WORLD History Book. Today, the 40th anniversary of the Mount Saint Helens eruption:

BASHAM: It’s Monday, May 18th. This is The World and Everything in It from listener-supported WORLD Radio. I’m Brian Basham.

EICHER: And I’m Nick Eicher. Good morning!

BASHAM: Up next, Kent Covington with today’s news.


KENT COVINGTON, NEWS ANCHOR: HHS secretary says reopening is successful this far, ambitious vaccine push is realistic » So far, so good for states reopening for business. Health and Human Services Secretary Alex Azar said Sunday that right now health authorities are not seeing spikes of COVID-19 cases in areas that are reopening. He told CBS’s Face the Nation…

AZAR: We certainly will be monitoring, but we’ve seen some initial instances of states like Georgia that’s reopened, Florida that’s reopening.  

He did caution that it’s still too early to draw any firm conclusions. But he said he believes the nation has the tools to manage the virus. 

He also discussed what the White House is calling “Operation Warp Speed.”

That’s a push to have 300 million doses of a successful coronavirus vaccine ready by the end of this year. Azar said that’s not a promise, but it’s also not an unrealistic goal. 

He said vaccines often take years to develop because of a slow and layered process and a lot of red tape. 

AZAR: The president said that’s not acceptable. So what we’re doing is wringing the inefficiency out of the development process to make the development side faster to get to safe and effective vaccines. 

Azar said the U.S. government will also begin mass producing vaccines before they’re proven safe and effective. That way if and when a vaccine gets the green light, officials can immediately begin shipping out doses. 

European leaders: The world can’t wait for a vaccine » But while the Trump administration expresses optimism that we could have a vaccine by the end of the year, some European governments are tamping down expectations.

In London, Business Secretary Alok Sharma said the first clinical trial of a vaccine at Oxford University is progressing well… 

SHARMA: The government has now committed over a quarter of a billion pounds towards developing a vaccine in the U.K. But there are no certainties. In spite of the tireless efforts of our scientists, it is possible that we many never find a successful coronavirus vaccine. 

And Prime Minister Boris Johnson echoed that warning on Sunday, stating—quote—“There remains a very long way to go, and I must be frank that a vaccine might not come to fruition.”

With economic pressure mounting around the world, Italian Prime Minister Giuseppe Conte said Italy could “not afford” to wait to be rescued by a vaccine.

Conte is allowing restaurants, bars, shops and beach facilities to reopen today. Church services can also resume. 

He said “We are facing a calculated risk, in the awareness” that the “curve could go back up.” But he added, “We are confronting this risk, and we need to accept it, otherwise we would never be able to relaunch.”

Judge blocks N.C. order limiting indoor religious services » A federal judge has blocked North Carolina Governor Roy Cooper’s order limiting indoor religious services to 10 people. 

Judge James C. Dever III said there is “no pandemic exception” to the U.S. Constitution. And he noted that the order places tighter restrictions on churches than on other gatherings. North Carolina now limits businesses, for example, to 50 percent capacity. 

In his ruling the judge stated—quote— “The record, at this admittedly early stage of the case, reveals that the governor appears to trust citizens to perform non-religious activities indoors (such as shopping or working or selling merchandise) but does not trust them to do the same when they worship together indoors.”

A spokesman for the governor said Cooper disagrees with the ruling, but they do not plan to appeal it.

Pelosi: State, local governments back $3 trillion bill » House Speaker Nancy Pelosi on Sunday said there is bipartisan demand for a $3 trillion relief package House Democrats passed two days earlier. 

PELOSI: Across the country, Republican and Democratic mayors, governors and the rest all want this bill to happen in terms of the investments in state and local, tribal and territorial governments, and also in terms of the testing.

Friday’s bill narrowly passed on a vote of 208 to 199. Fourteen Democrats voted against it. The measure would cost more than all of the previous coronavirus relief bills combined. 

Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy said Pelosi rammed it through a floor vote with very little input from anyone. 

MCCARTHY: This will be the largest bill in the history of the United States we have ever voted on. And not one hearing, not even input from committees or from people on the other side of the aisle. 

The bill sets aside $1 trillion for state and local governments and provides another round of cash payments to taxpayers. It also allocates funds for unemployment, housing, college debt relief, and the struggling U.S. Postal Service. 

Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell said the bill is highly partisan, bloated with Democratic pet projects and that it’s dead on arrival in the Senate. 

NASCAR returns to action » Professional sports are back! Well, at least a couple of them are. Team sports are still sidelined for now. 

But a day after the UFC held its third mixed martial arts event in about a week, another sport sped into action in South Carolina Sunday. 

AUDIO: The pace care is in … green flag! NASCAR is back!

Familiar scenes were missing from Darlington Raceway. No flyovers, no sun-baked crowds, no smoke billowing from tailgate grills. But racing is back. 

With a strict new health protocol in place, NASCAR is planning an aggressive return with 19 more races across seven states in just five weeks.

I’m Kent Covington. Straight ahead: the Supreme Court considers giving the term minister a legal definition.

Plus, Trillia Newbell on justice for Ahmaud Arbery.

This is The World and Everything in It.


BRIAN BASHAM: It’s Monday morning and we’re back at it for another week of The World and Everything in It. Today is the 18th of May, 2020. Good morning to you, I’m Brian Basham.

NICK EICHER: And I’m Nick Eicher. Morning to you, Big Bash. 

So you’re into your third week hosting WORLD Watch News in 3 each day—we’re getting lots of great responses from viewers, really liking it. How’re you enjoying it?

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EICHER: All right, well, the Supreme Court wrapped up oral arguments last week. Not in the usual way, of course. The justices hashed out the final 10 arguments over the phone. We will have all of those for you in the fullness of time.

Now, we have Mary Reichard cloistered away hard at work on the Legal Docket podcast that’s still a few months away. But she did take some time to prepare a report on an important religious-liberty case heard last Monday.

Today, you’ll hear about that case. At issue here is a legal doctrine known as the “ministerial exception.”

What that does is allow religious employers some measure of protection from lawsuits by employees considered ministerial employees.

Our legal-affairs correspondent Mary Reichard takes it from here.

MARY REICHARD: That idea—the idea of the ministerial exception is rooted in the religion clauses of the First Amendment of the U.S. Constitution. You know, the one that says Congress shall make no law respecting the establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof. 

That includes personnel decisions within religious organizations.

A case decided in the year 2012 helped to clarify and strengthen the concept. It’s called Hosanna Tabor and it involved an employment dispute between a Lutheran school and a teacher.

Listen to Chief Justice John Roberts deliver part of that opinion:

ROBERTS: The interest of society in enforcing employment discrimination laws is plainly important, but so too is the interest of religious groups in choosing who will preach their beliefs, teach their faith and carryout their mission. When a minister, who has been fired, sues her church, alleging that her termination was discriminatory, the First Amendment has struck the balance for us. The Church must be free to choose those who will guide it on its way. Our decision is unanimous.

In other words, the First Amendment allows religious institutions to hire and fire ministers without government interference. 

In Hosanna Tabor, several factors helped to broaden the definition of “minister.” The distinction is hugely important because it protects religious employers’ ability to put the right people in the right places to carry out its religious mission.

That’s the ministerial exception and modern anti-discrimination law doesn’t apply to it.

Trouble is, nobody defined what a “minister” is in all circumstances for all time.

And that’s the crux of the problem in two consolidated cases before the Supreme Court now. 

Justice Samuel Alito would prefer to jettison the phrase “ministerial exception” altogether. Here he addresses lawyer Jeffrey Fisher who argued it’s for the courts to decide who’s a minister and who isn’t.

ALITO: Do you appreciate that the very term, minister, treats different religions differently? It is a predominantly Christian Protestant term. And as you apply it to other religions, it becomes — its application becomes less and less clear.

Here are the facts.

Two Catholic schools in California each fired a school teacher. One of the teachers said it was for reasons of age, and thus the firing was for age discrimination. The other said her school fired her because she had cancer, and that violates the Americans with Disabilities Act.

The schools denied those contentions, but no matter what, the teachers fell under that “ministerial exception.” Meaning, the teachers could not sue the schools for discriminatory practices, because they were de facto “ministers” for the schools.

And that’s how the school’s lawyer, Eric Rassbach, opened his case.

RASSBACH: In this country, it is emphatically not the province of judges, juries, or government officials to decide who ought to teach Catholic fifth graders that Jesus is the son of God or who ought to teach Jewish preschoolers what it means to say: Hear, O Israel, the Lord your God, the Lord is one. And at bottom, that’s what these cases are about: who controls who teaches the faith to school children.

But Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg wondered just how broadly that should be applied.

GINSBURG: Two questions. One is, who among the religious schools’ employees are not ministers? The second question is … You do not have to be Catholic to be a fifth or sixth grade teacher. 
How can a Jewish teacher be a Catholic minister? 


Rassbach replied that not every employee is a minister in a religious school. 

He got into some trouble in this exchange with Justice Elena Kagan. She listed hypotheticals in rapid fire and asked him to say if the person is a minister, and therefore fits into that ministerial exception.

KAGAN: Okay. A math teacher who was told to embody Jewish values and infuse instruction with Jewish values.

RASSBACH: If it’s that alone, probably not. But it really depends on how that …

KAGAN: Okay, a nurse at a Catholic hospital who prays with sick patients and is told otherwise to tend to their religious needs. 


RASSBACH: I think a nurse doing that kind of counseling and prayer may well fall within the exception…. yes.

KAGAN: A press or a communications staffer who prepares press releases for a religious institution of all kinds that they need? 


RASSBACH: That should fall within it…

KAGAN: Ok, a cook who’s actually not Jewish but who prepares kosher compliant meals for children at a Jewish school?

RASSBACH: Uh, no.

Lawyer for the teachers, Jeffrey Fisher, argued that a flat-out immunity from discrimination lawsuits for a whole category of employees is the wrong way to go. Some employees, yes; others, absolutely not.

FISHER: It is enough to give the schools in this case the ability to hire, fire, discipline, and otherwise set the terms and conditions of employment according to their religious values. And it is too much and it would blow a hole in our nation’s civil-rights laws to say that categorical immunity applies, and so schools can pay people different amounts, use race, sex, other private characteristics even when they have nothing to do with the religion and the religious values at stake.

Justice Clarence Thomas turned the tables in this question to Fisher, again, lawyer for the teachers.

THOMAS: Mr. Fisher, first just a general question. Would exactly what these teachers were doing be a violation of the Establishment Clause if they did it in a public school?

FISHER: Well, Justice Thomas…

Ooh, Thomas was on to something and I can hardly wait for Justice Thomas to develop his thinking in writing. But Fisher did end up saying that, yes, a public-school teacher praying and worshiping would be too far.

Assistant to the Solicitor General Morgan Ratner argued for the federal government in support of the schools. She said job titles can’t be what determines whether someone’s a minister. A better measure is job duties.

But several justices saw problems with this. Lawyers on both sides advocated to slice and dice jobs to figure out if an employee is or isn’t a “minister” for purposes of the ministerial exception.

Listen to Justice Neil Gorsuch first, then Justice Kagan:

GORSUCH: You’re asking a secular court to make that judgment on the basis of our judgment that their activity with respect to religion is de minimis. I can easily see a school in which everybody takes a pledge that everything they do is to help teach these kids to be part of the faith. The next case is going to be a school in which a janitor takes a pledge, or the school bus driver or the coach, and they all believe sincerely that they are ministers, and you’re going to have us tell them, no, your active duties are too de minimis?

KAGAN: Well, where do we draw that line then? I mean, suppose that I think that the full-time religion teacher is protected by this exemption. Then I think Justice Alito raises a fair point here. It’s like, well, in an elementary school, maybe you have to teach some other subjects too, so maybe it’s a half-time religious teacher or maybe it’s a quarter-time. Where do we draw that line?

Chief Justice Roberts pointed out it’d be easy for schools to game the system by labeling every worker as “minister.” 

And really, anyone who teaches children knows concepts are “caught” as much as they are “taught.” 

I know in my own elementary school years in a public school, it was the janitor who made the biggest impression on with his gentle, honest, and kind demeanor. 

So where do we draw that line? Perhaps in favor of keeping government from entangling itself with matters of First Amendment protections. Still, people who seek employment in religious institutions should be aware of this and choose their life’s work with full knowledge of what’s protected and what isn’t.

I doubt that this will be a unanimous ruling as was Hosanna Tabor. But I do predict a win for the schools, and that the teachers will not get to proceed with their discrimination cases.

And that’s this week’s Legal Docket.


BRIAN BASHAM: Coming up next on The World and Everything in It: The Monday Moneybeat.

NICK EICHER: Initial claims for unemployment benefits continued a six-week trend downward, and last week fell below 3 million for the first time since a virtual economic freeze took hold the third week of March. 

But to say it that way is to risk forgetting that even at 2.98 million, new applications for jobless benefits remain more than 10 times worse than what was normal all year up to mid-March.

April retail sales are in. The Commerce Department says month-on-month they’re down 16.4 percent compared with March. Versus last April, year-on-year retail sales are down 21.6 percent. 

With the exception of groceries, no retail sector was spared significant damage. Clothing stores: down 90 percent. Electronics and furniture: off by two-thirds. Sporting goods, restaurants, and bars: down by half. 

One detail on Starbucks. This is a coffee chain that can sell three shots of espresso and fill the cup the rest of the way up with hot water, and get three dollars for that. Not a bad profit margin item! Yet, Starbucks placed its landlords across the country on notice: Starbucks cannot afford to pay rent for the next year.

It is rough out there. Financial analyst and adviser David Bahnsen is on the line for our weekly conversation. David, good morning.

DAVID BAHNSEN, GUEST: Good morning, Nick.

EICHER: What do you make of the numbers?

BAHNSEN: Well, again, the headline number to me doesn’t make sense because you would think it would be so much worse. How could retail sales have only been down 16 percent? But then you look under the hood and we answer the question with some of the sub details you just provided. 

Obviously when they say restaurants are down 50 percent, that has to be from food delivery offsetting because restaurants would otherwise have been down very close to 100 percent. 

So, within the news itself, there’s some things that did understandably well because of the nature of the shutdown and other things that did understandably terrible, also because of the nature of the shutdown. The only surprise is where things are starting to pick up. I saw Open Table’s reservations chart this week in Italy has picked up 50 percent in the two weeks they’ve been reopened. I would not have expected it would get back online that quickly. So, we’re looking for some silver linings and it will take a little while for us to see them here, particularly in the food and beverage industry. 

So you’ll see that volatility in the consumer data. The question will be when businesses are ready to resume capital spending, to resume investment projects towards the future. If certain projects are delayed for two quarters, that’s one thing. If they’re delayed for two years, that’s another. And so I believe the consumer’s going to get the bulk of the headline attention, but for an economist like me, I really am going to be far more focused on the supply side because I think that’s what determines economic health.

EICHER: Let’s talk about government efforts in the meantime. The House approved another $3 trillion aid package, but it’s not getting the same fast-track treatment the initial rescue bill received. What do you know about what’s likely on Capitol Hill?

BAHNSEN: Yeah, I mean, we knew that the House’s bill was dead on arrival and Pelosi knew it. They were never serious about passing it because if they were, they would have involved Senate lawmakers and the Department of Treasury in the process. So, it was always intended to be a political statement which is laying out a series of demands. But what it did was put a few markers out and ultimately I believe some of those things are going to end up being in the final bill. But I think that both sides are setting the stage to kind of negotiate what they want and the horse trading is going to get to be very expensive. Ironically, one of the things about her bill that I don’t think will hold up is the $3 trillion, but not because I think the final bill will be less, because I think the final bill will be more.

EICHER: OK, David, listener question. This is Byron Snapp. I’ll read it. “We look forward to David Bahnsen’s input each Monday. I would like to ask him as a Christian economist, what practical economic recovery path would you suggest were you Secretary of Treasury trying to get the economy through the crisis and up and running again?” 

So, obviously, hypothetical. But Secretary Bahnsen, have at it. You have about a minute.

BAHNSEN: Well, the problem with these types of questions are that I never know if I also got to be in charge of the economy for the last 20 years or if I’m dealing with the reality as it is because I don’t believe Christians should wave magic wands that ignore the context. And so it would not be feasible for me to come in and balance the budget in one day. 

But to try to give a more helpful answer that is principle-driven in the moment, my answer to the very thoughtful question is that I would really eagerly work for temporary emergency measures to be temporary and emergency—to not allow them to become entrenched into the future size of government, which is of course what has historically happened and what I very much fear will happen now. 

But if I could have any influence on keeping emergency temporary measures temporary and emergency, that’s what I would be focused on.

EICHER: David Bahnsen, financial analyst and adviser. Always great to talk with you. And, again, thank you so much for setting aside the time each week to explain.

BAHNSEN: Thank you, Nick. Appreciate it.


NICK EICHER: Today is Monday, May 18th. Thank you for turning to WORLD Radio to help start your day. Good morning. I’m Nick Eicher.

BRIAN BASHAM: And I’m Brian Basham. Coming next on The World and Everything in It: the WORLD History Book.

Today, the 40th anniversary of the Mount Saint Helens eruption. Plus, the birthday of a Dutch resistance fighter who rescued more than 100 Jews.

EICHER: But first, the story behind one of the world’s largest news agencies. Here’s Paul Butler.

PAUL BUTLER, CORRESPONDENT: During the Mexican-American War in 1846, five daily New York newspapers banded together to help share the expense of wiring back accounts of the conflict to their newsrooms. The Sun, The Journal of Commerce, the New York Herald, the New York Evening Express, and the New York Courier and Enquirer were the founding members of the New York Associated Press.

Other news organizations and publishers soon joined the group. But in the 1890s, the editor of the Chicago Daily News uncovered unethical practices by the NYAP. The revelations broke up the association. Some of its members regrouped, set up headquarters in Chicago, and called themselves simply the Associated Press. 

In 1900, the Illinois Supreme Court ruled that the AP was a public utility, and must operate in the public trust in the state. So the Associated Press moved back to New York and incorporated there on May 22nd, 1900, where they’ve been ever since. 

Their certificate of incorporation describes the group as “an association of persons united in a mutual and cooperative organization for the collection and interchange of information and intelligence for publication.”

Today, the Associated Press is the world’s largest news agency. It operates more than 250 news bureaus, in over 100 countries. The AP cooperative provides news stories for print and broadcast news organizations around the world. 

In the last 100 years, AP reporters and photographers have won 53 Pulitzer Prizes for excellence in journalism.

Next, May 19th, 1920. One hundred years ago this week in Holland.

Marie Schotte and Alphonse Buchter are socialist atheists living in Amsterdam. On this day, they give birth to a daughter and name her Tineke.

At 16, she decides to study psychiatry at university. But her studies are interrupted by the Nazi invasion of the Netherlands in 1940.

NEWSREEL: Almost 10,000 troops were landed in this manner…

Her best friend is a Jewish girl. Tineke and her mother hide her, and in the process, become part of the underground resistance movement. Over the duration of the war, they protect more than 100 Jews.

STROBOS: Seventy years ago…my family, my friends, my fellow students resisted the Nazi occupation. 

In 2009, she spoke before the Holocaust and Human Rights Education Center of New York City after receiving an award honoring her rescue work.

STROBOS: That if you helped Jews, you had death penalty. So I said, “Who wants to live under Hitler anyway?” So we did it. (LAUGHTER)

In a New York Times article that same year, Strobos explained why she risked her own life to help others. She said: “It’s the right thing to do…Your conscience tells you to do it. I believe in heroism, and when you’re young, you want to do dangerous things.”

And finally, May 18th, 1980, 50 miles northeast of Portland, Oregon:

AUDIO: It happened this morning at 8:28. Mount St. Helen’s shook with its most violent eruption in 123 years…

Audio courtesy of KGW-News. 

Throughout the spring, the area around Mount St. Helens began experiencing tremors. A vent opened on the mountain, and steam began escaping from the summit. 

Seismologists and other volcanic scientists began warning of a possible eruption. Then one morning in May…

BOYD LEVET: The volcano’s blasts have come with a vengeance today. The spectacle of the massive plume is one few will forget…

That morning, local news photographer and cameraman Dave Crockett was 8 miles from the mountain, waiting for something to happen. When it did, he knew he had to get out of there.  

DAVE CROCKETT: I started down the valley, look in my rearview mirror, and there was just a wall of debri, mud, steam, rocks, boulders, and full size trees just rolling along. 

Crockett was stranded. The road was washed out in front of him, and behind him. He took some pictures from his vantage point, and then drew an arrow in the ash gathering on his hood—pointing in the direction he was about to start walking. 

A few minutes later, the ash cloud completely enveloped him. He turned on his camera and started talking:

DAVE CROCKETT: I never thought I’d believe this or say this, but at this moment, I honest to God think I’m dead. There’s really no way to describe the feeling. Ash is getting in my eyes.

Crockett survived, but 57 residents, scientists, and tourists died in the explosion. The ash-cloud reached 15 miles high, and 40 miles wide. Ash from the eruption drifted in the jet stream and fell to earth as far as 2,000 miles away.

That’s this week’s WORLD History Book. I’m Paul Butler.


BRIAN BASHAM: Today is Monday, May 18th. Good morning! This is The World and Everything in It from listener-supported WORLD Radio. I’m Brian Basham.

NICK EICHER: And I’m Nick Eicher. Commentator Trillia Newbell now on the killing of Ahmaud Arbery.

TRILLIA NEWBELL, COMMENTATOR: When news broke that a young black  man was shot, my first instinct was to mourn. Not another one, I thought to myself. I decided to read as much as possible to gain understanding. And the more I learned, the greater the grief.

By this time, it’s likely we’ve all heard of Ahmaud Arbery. He was murdered while running through a Georgia neighborhood in February. As soon as a video of the shooting surfaced, it sparked an immediate public outcry. I was one of the many who ran in his honor on May 8th, which would have been his 26th birthday. 

But not everyone was mourning. Plenty of people took to social media with hopes of tarnishing Arbery’s character. Images of someone who looked like Arbery walking into a construction site began to circulate. Then came discussion of a possible incident when he was 19 years old. 

My hope for a society that could come together when the evidence was mounting against the assailants began to fade. 

It doesn’t matter if he went into a construction site during his run. It doesn’t matter if we find out that he had anything, criminal or otherwise, in his past.

And even if there were a burglary involved, execution is inexcusable. Private citizens may not stalk, ambush, and kill someone. Arbery was unarmed and jogging—nothing warrants his tragic demise. 

All of us who are pro-life understand just how precious life is. God created Ahmaud Arbery in His image. Whether Arbery knew Jesus or not doesn’t take away his value and worth. The color of Arbery’s skin doesn’t determine his significance. He is valuable because God created him. 

We all know this. So, when I see an unarmed black man gunned down, my heart breaks. It breaks for his family, it breaks for our country, it breaks for the pending divide we will see over yet another story like this. It breaks because an image-bearer lost his life in an unspeakable way. 

I’ve imagined what it would have been like if we all heard this story without knowing what these men looked like or where they were. How might the responses have changed? 

Most of us would agree every life is valuable. Most of us would agree that no one should be forced to answer questions from strangers holding guns. Even if we disagree about the idea of citizen’s arrest, almost no one condones killing an unarmed man.

The trouble with these situations is that the moment we insert race—it becomes a divisive issue, rather than one we all mourn. But ethnicity does matter in these situations, because we are continuing to see unarmed black men die. There’s no excuse for it, and that’s why you see an outcry from the black community and beyond.

Our reaction isn’t an overreaction. It’s a desire to see unity, peace, love, and justice. Most of the calls I see from my African American brothers and sisters are calls for justice and lament. And that’s all any of us can hope for.

Justice is coming one way or the other—whether by the court of law or by the Lord Himself. One day every tear will be wiped away, but for now we mourn as we wait. 

I’m Trillia Newbell.


NICK EICHER: Tomorrow: Much of the world has tried to slow the spread of COVID-19 with strict stay-at-home orders. But not everyone agrees with that approach. We’ll dig into the differing views.

And, we’ll tell you about the Education Department’s final rules for the way universities handle sexual assault cases on campus.

That and more tomorrow. 

I’m Nick Eicher.

BRIAN BASHAM: And I’m Brian Basham.

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