MEGAN BASHAM, HOST: Good morning!
Whether it’s big doctrinal debates or the news of the day, Christians are arguing among ourselves a lot these days. What does the Bible say about how we should engage one another when we disagree?
We’ll talk with history professor and Colson Center Fellow Glenn Sunshine today.
NICK EICHER, HOST: That’s ahead on Culture Friday.
Also today the new Netflix documentary Trial by Media.
And Kim Henderson honors a young Marine who died during World War II.
BASHAM: It’s Friday, May 22nd. This is The World and Everything in It from listener-supported WORLD Radio. I’m Megan Basham.
EICHER: And I’m Nick Eicher. Good morning!
BASHAM: Up next, Kent Covington has the news.
KENT COVINGTON, NEWS ANCHOR: North Carolina, Michigan, Nashville among areas taking new steps toward reopening » North Carolina is moving to Phase 2 today—allowing restaurants, salons and other businesses to reopen at limited capacity.
Governor Roy Cooper announced…
COOPER: While I am lifting the stay-at-home order, we are shifting to a safer at home recommendation.
Cooper said he’s encouraging citizens to remain at home as much as possible, especially those at high risk for COVID-19 complications.
Bars, nightclubs, gyms, and indoor entertainment venues remain closed in the state.
In Tennessee, live music is back in music city as of Monday. Nashville Mayor John Cooper Thursday announced further easing of restrictions. Live music venues can reopen with new social distancing standards. Cooper tweeted…”We are not going back to normal; we are learning to live and work with Covid-19.”
And in Michigan, Governor Gretchen Whitmer announced that more businesses can reopen as of Tuesday under heavy restrictions. Among them…
WHITMER: The statewide reopening of auto showrooms will be permitted by appointment only; allowing retail statewide but on an appointment-only basis.
The governor said new Michigan jobs numbers show the coronavirus has “devastated” the state’s economy.
Much of Midland County, MI still underwater after dam failures » Whitmer also said that she traveled to flood-ravaged Midland County Thursday. Flood waters overtook two dams, causing the Tittabawassee River to push beyond its banks—cresting at a record high of more than 35 feet.
WHITMER: I can tell you, I’ve used the phrase many times over the last 10 weeks, but this is unlike anything we’ve seen before. The damage is truly devastating to see how high the water levels are, to see roofs barely visible.
The governor said she’s working closely with emergency departments, the state’s National Guard and FEMA on relief efforts.
No deaths have been reported, but the flooding forced thousands from their homes and caused severe destruction in central Michigan.
China to impose “national security” law in Hong Kong » The Chinese Communist Party is planning to impose a sweeping new so-called national security law in Hong Kong.
The move would sidestep the semi-autonomous territory’s own lawmaking body, enforcing the law by fiat. It would criminalize what it calls “foreign interference” and allow the communist government to crack down on any behavior it considers subversive to the state.
Already, non-governmental groups like Hong Kong Watch and others that question the Chinese government are sounding alarms that their organizations may soon be outlawed.
Ho-Fung Hung is a professor of international relations at Johns Hopkins University. He said “It will show the world that ‘one country, two systems’ is, if not already over, almost over.”
More than 80 dead after Cyclone Amphan slams India, Bangladesh » More than 80 people are dead after Cyclone Amphan cut a path of destruction along the coast of India and Bangladesh. WORLD’s Kristen Flavin has more.
KRISTEN FLAVIN, REPORTER: Wide swaths of the region remained flooded on Thursday and millions were without power.
Amphan was the most powerful storm to hit the region in more than a decade.
Many parts of the Indian city of Kolkata, home to more than 14 million people, were under water. And roads were littered with uprooted trees, lamp posts and fallen power lines.
Officials in both countries say they do not yet know the full extent of the damage because the storm cut off communications in many places. Hundreds of thousands of people were evacuated ahead of the storm, a process complicated by the coronavirus pandemic.
Amphan came ashore Wednesday with heavy rain, a battering storm surge, and sustained winds of more than 100 miles per hour. Relief groups warn the combination of the cyclone and the pandemic could create a humanitarian crisis.
Reporting for WORLD, I’m Kristen Flavin.
Senate confirms Rep. Ratcliffe as dir. of national intelligence » The Senate on Thursday confirmed Texas Congressman John Ratcliffe as director of national intelligence.
AUDIO: The ayes are 49. The nays are 44 and the nomination is confirmed.
Ratcliffe seemed unlikely to get the position when he was nominated in February. He had already been nominated for the job last year and then withdrew after Republicans questioned his experience.
But senators warmed to him as they grew concerned about upheaval in the intelligence community and wanted a permanent, confirmed director.
The Texas Republican will replace Richard Grenell, the current acting director.
Democrats allowed a quick vote on the nomination this week, dropping their usual procedural delays in a signal that they prefer Ratcliffe over Grenell. But most Democrats still opposed his nomination.
Loughlin, husband agree to jail time in college admissions scandal plea deal » “Full House” actress Lori Loughlin has agreed to serve prison time, along with her husband, fashion designer Mossimo Giannulli. WORLD’s Anna Johnansen reports.
ANNA JOHANSEN, REPORTER: The jail time is part of a plea deal in the college admissions bribery case.
The 55-year-old Loughlin has agreed to serve two months behind bars and 56-year-old Giannulli agreed to a five-month sentence. They would also pay fines and perform community service. A judge still has to sign off on the deal.
They are accused of paying a half-million dollars in bribes to get their two daughters into the University of Southern California as crew team recruits even though neither of them played the sport.
The couple was among 50 people arrested last year in the case dubbed “Operation Varsity Blues.”
Reporting for WORLD, I’m Anna Johansen.
Georgia authorities arrest, charge man who took video of Arbery shooting » The Georgia Bureau of Investigation has arrested the man who video recorded the final moments of Ahmaud Arbery’s life.
The GBI announced Thursday that 50-year-old William “Roddie” Bryan has been charged with murder.
Bryan’s video footage showed Travis and Greg McMichael chasing down Arbery before fatally shooting him. The father and son say they believed Arbery to be a burglary suspect, and Travis McMichael insists the shooting was self-defense.
Bryan’s attorney, Kevin Gough, says his client is innocent and had no communication with the McMichaels on February 23rd, the day of the shooting.
But Greg McMichael had told police that Bryan tried to block Arbery “but was unsuccessful.”
I’m Kent Covington. Straight ahead: disagreeing Biblically on hot-button issues.
This is The World and Everything in It.
NICK EICHER: It’s Friday the 22nd of May, 2020. Glad to have you along for today’s edition of The World and Everything in It. Good morning, I’m Nick Eicher.
Tell me if this sounds familiar:
AUDIO: Those talking points, they made the rounds. What does that mean, are you saying I got talking points? Whoa, whoa. No, you gotta answer. You gotta answer the accusation. You had a whole day to talk. Let’s get Katie in, at least she’s got something to say that’s original.
So that’s obviously a debate playing out on a cable news show. But these days, it can sometimes feel like we’re all on cable news.
Christians are shouting at and dunking on each other over politics, social issues, and the daily news cycle.
MEGAN BASHAM: It’s Culture Friday and we now welcome Glenn Sunshine. He’s a professor of history at Central Connecticut University, a senior faculty member of the Colson Center for Christian Worldview, and author of books like, Why You Think The Way You Do: The Story of Western Worldviews from Rome to Home.
Professor Sunshine, Good morning!
GLENN SUNSHINE, GUEST: Good morning! Thanks for having me.
BASHAM: So, first things first, I have to confess I’m a little bit guilty of what Nick described there. I’m a pretty passionate person, and I grew up in a family that loves a good debate. So I don’t tend to shy away from them.
You wrote two articles at Breakpoint recently that I think are helpful for everyone—but maybe especially valuable for people like me—on how to biblically disagree on hot button issues.
So to lay the groundwork, I know a lot of people who are uncomfortable with, let’s say, spirited discussions. They feel being a peacemaker will mean avoiding arguments over doctrine or politics altogether.
But even further, in recent years we’ve seen a growing perspective that it’s not appropriate for certain Christians to engage in certain debate. You’re two men, does that disqualify you from talking about women’s roles and treatment within the church? Because that is the kind of thing I hear a lot lately—that men should be listening, not speaking on this topic.
So I guess my first question on Biblical rules of engagement is should we be engaging and who should be engaging?
SUNSHINE: Well, first of all, there are a couple of different ways you can answer that. The first one that comes to my mind is that I have found that very often it isn’t really worth engaging in some of these conversations. And the reason for that isn’t because I’m a white male, heterosexual, or anything like that. It’s simply because people are not listening.
Very often what I find particularly on social media discussions is that people don’t really care what you have to say. They’re just trying to be provocative. They’re trying to annoy people, whatever. And they’re not going to listen. And Jesus tells us that, you know, if people don’t receive your message, shake the dust off your feet, and walk away from them. He tells us don’t cast pearls before swine. And what he’s saying here is don’t try to force issues. Don’t try to force a particular, you know, introduce material into a place where it’s not welcome or people won’t listen
So, on one level that’s one way of answering the question. Another way of answering the question, though, is are there some categories of people who do not have the right to speak into a particular situation? So, for example, does a male have a right to say anything about women’s roles in the church? It’s a question you might want to ask St. Paul.
You know? The fact is truth is truth and it isn’t subjective. Our culture doesn’t believe that there is a firm truth out there. They believe that all truth is really subjective. It’s perspectival, that sort of thing. And that’s really not a biblical perspective. Truth is truth. And no matter who the messenger is, if they can make a solid case for it, a solid Biblical case for it especially in those kinds of issues, then it doesn’t matter who they are. It’s not a matter of the person, it’s a matter of the content that’s being presented. That’s the thing that counts.
We have a culture that believes that truth is relative and personal, that your truth depends entirely on a whole bunch of secondary characteristics—are you white? Are you male? Are you LGBT? Are you—whatever? And that’s what really determines what “your truth” is. That’s really not the case. Truth is an objective matter.
EICHER: You know, professor, it seems appropriate that we’re having this discussion at a moment when so many of us are reflecting on the life and legacy of Ravi Zacharias.
All the tributes I’m seeing—one quality keeps coming up again and again. People who knew him, who read his books, who heard him speak—they point out that he was an apologist who made tough arguments with a gentle tone. One person said that he used his intelligence as a tool not a weapon.
That example dovetails with some things you said about tone in your essay.
Can you talk a little bit about that and the sort of Ravi Zacharias model?
SUNSHINE: Well, yes, the first thing that we have to remember is that when we’re engaged in a discussion with someone, the goal is not to win the argument. It’s to win the person. The goal is never to attack the person, it’s to attack the argument. Because the person that we’re talking to is someone who is made in the image of God and is therefore deserving of honorable treatment. You treat them honorably. You respect them. You don’t insult them. You don’t demean them.
This is a consistent teaching in scripture. Read through the New Testament when it talks about how you deal with your opponent. If you treat them with gentleness and respect, if you don’t revile them, if you don’t insult them, no matter how they treat you, no matter how badly you’re treated, your responsibility is to treat them with respect, with courtesy, with honor because they’re made in the image of God. And, if you fail to do that, you’re actually insulting the God in whose image they are made.
Now, this leads you to the kind of tone that Ravi took in all of his interactions with people. He always treated them with respect. Now, he made some really pointed arguments, but they were never personalized. Unlike Saul Lewinsky who says that you have to personalize the argument. That’s the way you win. That’s not the way you win as a Christian. He never personalized it. He never treated people with disrespect. He always dealt with the arguments. He dealt with the issues. And he did so in a very direct way, but always with perfect courtesy. And that’s the model we should be following.
BASHAM: When you bring up perfect courtesy, I think another trap we can fall into, and boy I know I have, is always thinking that all our anger is righteous anger. People point to John the Baptist calling the Pharisees a brood of vipers. Or Paul wishing castration on the judaizers. Tough stuff.
And we assume that if we believe we’re in the right—which we all almost always do or else why would be arguing—we’re free to follow that model.
What’s wrong with that assumption?
SUNSHINE: Well, first of all, it is the case that Jesus did kick the furniture down the front stairs of the temple. I mean, there are times where you see in Scripture even Jesus acted very impressively. He called the Pharisees white-washed tombs, hypocrites, on and on.
But what is more notable is that when you look at the way Jesus acts overall, even where he is being—people are trying to trap him and things like that—he very rarely responds that way. Most of the time, he responds to people basically meeting them on their own terms and answering them on their own terms. He treats them more often than not, again, with respect, with gentleness, and so on, the way he treated all of his enemies when he went to Calvary, which by the way includes us.
We do see Jesus getting mad, but he gets mad at actions and when he pronounces judgement on people, there is always an either direct or implied if you repent, this changes. There’s always this implied call to repentance.
So, it’s never about the person. It’s about their actions. And that’s, again, the same sort of thing that I’ve been suggesting in terms of arguments. You deal with ideas, not with people. You deal with actions, not people. You don’t personalize it.
EICHER: Do you think that this moment, before we let you go here—it’s been a great conversation—but do you think that our modern times are particularly divisive? I mean, is this the worst time in history? Because I do know people point back to previous, let’s say, political campaigns and there were some horrible things said even in American history. But do you think these are historically bad times?
SUNSHINE: Not in terms of political invectives. I mean, we’ve seen some—as you say—some absolutely horrendous through American history. But in one sense, we are really different. We’re in a culture that really no longer believes in truth. That instead our opinions, our preferences, our desires trump truth. And that cultural change that we see there where there is no longer a consensus that there even is an objective truth that we can look for. We don’t even care about facts. It’s our preferences, it’s our opinions that matter. That changes the game considerably. And in some respects, that makes this a very different and a very dangerous time.
EICHER: Well Glenn Sunshine is professor of history at Central Connecticut University, a senior faculty member of the Colson Center for Christian Worldview, and author of books like, Why You Think The Way You Do: The Story of Western Worldviews from Rome to Home.
Professor Sunshine, thanks for being with us.
SUNSHINE: Thank you for having me.
NICK EICHER: David and Emily Schantz went out for a ride with their children earlier in Fredericksburg, Virginia this week when they ran over a bag of trash. It appeared someone had just dumped it in the middle of the road.
Rather than leaving it, they did a good deed and stopped to pick it up. They threw the bag in the back of their pickup truck, along with a second garbage bag also lying on the pavement.
But when they got home they discovered that the bags were not stuffed with trash…
Emily Schantz spoke with TV station WTVR and explained what she found.
SCHANTZ: Inside of the bag there was little packages there little plastic bags, and they were addressed on the front of them and it said cash vault.
Cash, not trash. Now, instead of keeping it, they did the right thing once more and called the police.
Major Scott Moser said it was a lot of money!
MOSER: To have someone so honest and willing to just give that million dollars back, it was just exceptional on their part.
A million. Authorities believe the bags belonged to the U.S. Postal Service and were on their way to a bank. But they still don’t know how the bags wound up in the middle of the road.
Listen, the postal service lost $8.8 billion last year—not this way, but, you know, this kind of thing doesn’t help.
It’s The World and Everything in It.
MEGAN BASHAM: Today is Friday, May 22nd. Thank you for turning to WORLD Radio to help start your day. Good morning. I’m Megan Basham.
NICK EICHER: And I’m Nick Eicher. Coming next on The World and Everything in It: a review of the new Netflix documentary series, Trial by Media.
BASHAM: Now, I have to say, I would have liked to have reviewed another documentary that just hit today. But regrettably, despite multiple requests, I couldn’t get F/X to give me a screener for AKA Jane Roe.
The film has been making a lot of headlines. It features a series of interviews with former abortion poster girl turned pro-life activist, Norma McCorvey.
EICHER: McCorvey was the Roe in Roe v Wade. In the mid-nineties, she repudiated all that, and said she’d come to oppose abortion. She spoke out vehemently against it, and became a well-known, well-respected figure in the pro-life movement. In 2005 she testified before the U.S. Senate, pleading with them to reverse Roe v. Wade.
But here’s the surprise. In the documentary AKA Jane Roe, McCorvey reportedly reveals, on her deathbed, that she was never really committed to the pro-life cause. She says it was an all act. That according to the documentary, she said only what Christian groups paid her to say.
BASHAM: Right, though, as I said, I can’t confirm that. Because while I am certified on Rotten Tomatoes as one of the official critics, and I’m on most major studio and network press lists, F/X ignored me. They also didn’t respond to my not-so-subtle social media pressure.
Meanwhile, many other, in some cases much smaller outlets, got a chance to preview the film.
And I’ll say it is curious because I’ve had no problem in the past getting press screeners from F/X’s parent company, ABC. So, not sure what that’s all about, but I’ll take a look at the film this weekend with the rest of the public and report back next week.
EICHER: What we can tell you is that our reporter, Bob Brown, reached out to some of the Christian and pro-life groups McCorvey was involved with. They told him that they haven’t seen the film either, but that their long experience with McCorvey leads them to doubt what many media outlets are characterizing as a bombshell. And doubt is probably an understatement.
BASHAM: Yeah, they say McCorvey, who had a difficult life and struggled with substance abuse, could be a bit of an unpredictable personality. But they also insist that whatever she may have said to the filmmakers in her last few months alive, while she was very sick, they don’t believe the documentary’s characterization.
You can read more about that on our website, wng.org.
But now let’s talk about the documentary series I was able to see this week.
It’s a new Netflix series, Trial by Media. And it looks at the impact of trash TV and cable news on six high-profile legal cases. Executive produced by George Clooney and CNN legal analyst Jeffrey Toobin, it explores how tabloid journalism influences our justice system.
CLIP: If you want to understand what really happened, everything was done for the purpose of ratings and ratings are money. And that’s really what happened in the show. Somebody lost their life for money. Have you developed an understanding to how people react to being deceived, embarrassed or humiliated on your show? No because we don’t deceive, embarrass or humiliate people on our show. That may be a tough sell in front of these jurors.
Clooney and his team choose their examples well. The incidents are familiar, but don’t rise to the saturation level of, say, the OJ Simpson trial. With the possible exception of Rod Blagojevich’s 2008 corruption case, all are pretty far in the rear-view mirror. Most viewers won’t know or won’t remember the pivotal role the media played.
Take, for example, the Bernie Goetz subway shootings. It’s startling to see how similar the public debate in 1984 was to today.
CLIP: If you really felt they were going to do something to harm you, you get up and show your gun at worst. And say leave me alone. But you don’t get up and just start firing and shoot four people. How’s that self defense other than you’re really dealing with this kind of fear and overreaction that is soaked with race and bigotry.
Also eye-opening—how lobbyists and political movements turn local crimes into cause celebres for their own national interests.
CLIP: So the Bernie Goetz story was an opportunity on a high visibility issue for the NRA to weigh in on the side of the victims. The NRA wants legislation reintroduced in Albany that would give people greater access to firearm permits. So I got my bosses at NRA to let me do a news conference to get our point of view expressed.
What we see again and again is that the media’s rush to neatly frame a story often means they get details wrong. And how easily those errors whip the public into a frenzy, simplifying complex problems, dividing us into tribes, and feeding a rapacious desire for conflict and grievance.
The problem is the series doesn’t spend much time looking at the other side of the coin. It’s hard to argue that something like The Jenny Jones Show holds much redeeming value for society. But what other options are there?
This is the only moment in the entire six episode run that grapples in any serious way with the principle of a free press.
CLIP: Journalists every day set up sources knowing that they’re going to betray them a certain way for the public interest. To get important material out to the public. And trash TV may make you cringe. But it would make you cringe a lot more if you lost the First Amendment in getting rid of trash TV.
Instead it becomes so enamored with the big legal personalities, it’s easy to understand why journalists would have focused on them at the time.
One of the most entertaining episodes involves a country lawyer defending the CEO of a big medical company. His secret weapon? He knows just what to say to make the evening news.
CLIP: So we don’t have much of a chance. Except for something my grandmama used to tell me when I was growing up as a young boy: Remember this grandson, no matter how thin they make a pancake it still has two sides to it. So what I’d like to do is you’ve just heard the side from the government. What I want you to do is let’s flip that pancake over.
Immediately, every channel runs with this home-fried wisdom. The prosecution, utterly defanged, has no showman to rival him.
CLIP: He says, quote, no matter how thin a pancake is it has two sides. I think someone gave him a spatula at one point.
Eventually though, we get the kicker.
CLIP: Did your grandma really say that about the pancake? Uh, no. I made that up years ago.
From the circus events Al Sharpton organizes to Blagojevich appearing on Celebrity Apprentice, there’s no denying Trial by Media holds up an unflattering mirror to our culture. Even in the most serious matters, it charges, we are a deeply unserious, easily-manipulated people.
Yet the series does a little manipulating of it’s own through the examples it chooses, sticking mostly to progressive stereotypes of what victims and villains look like.
It would have been more complex if it had also mixed in cases like, say, Amanda Knox, Richard Jewell, or Brett Kavanaugh. Cases that illustrate government overreach or show that a privileged background can also inspire prejudice and animosity.
If there are future seasons, they might also look inside their own house and ask how the press protects friends like Harvey Weinsten or Charlie Rose from negative coverage.
Perhaps the most beneficial element of the series is it cures the desire to ask, “Why were the old days better than these?
CLIP: They deliberated for a few days and the judge of course is very concerned that they’re going to be influenced by this massive media presence.
It can be a little depressing to see the same national strife playing out over decades, but it’s also reassuring to realize there’s nothing new under the sun.
MEGAN BASHAM: Today is Friday, May 22nd. Good morning! This is The World and Everything in It from listener-supported WORLD Radio. I’m Megan Basham.
NICK EICHER: And I’m Nick Eicher. On Monday we’re going to do something we’ve never done before: serial storytelling. Kim Henderson will have the first of a four-part story that airs all next week. You won’t want to miss it.
But now, she has a Memorial Day reflection.
KIM HENDERSON, COMMENTATOR: U.S. Marine Sam Smith traveled nearly 7,000 miles to get back to his hometown of Liberty, Mississippi. One Saturday, I was privileged to watch him cover the final stretch.
Perched on an overpass that spans I-55, we waited for half an hour before finally spotting the motorcade’s flashing lights in the glare of a mid-day sun. My husband saw them first—I’ll give him that—and rushed to unfurl our flag over the guardrail.
Daughter No. 2 busied herself with photographing the scene, and I found myself flustered by a case of etiquette anxiety. Hand over heart? Hand not over heart? Wave? (Or is that disrespectful?) I admit I did end up waving as the World War II veteran’s remains passed beneath us. Many of the Patriot Guard escorts waved back. Some even honked. And I must tell you, that white hearse gave me chills on an 80-something degree day.
That’s because Sam’s return trip, 73 years in the making, is one that reads like a script from the History Channel. Sam was born in 1924, joining a brood of seven siblings brought into the world by Carey and Mamie Smith.
Sam was a star football player and a good student—good enough, in fact, to have hopes of a medical career. But college dreams took a back seat to wartime reality. Sam left for recruit training in August, 1942, and at the end of nine weeks, he sailed to the South Pacific. A year later the 19-year-old found himself fighting in one of the bloodiest battles in Marine Corps history.
Sam was one of 18,000 sent to secure the tiny island of Betio. Even though Japan held it, strategists believed Betio would be easy to secure. Not so. Low tides proved to be a problem during the 76-hour beachhead invasion. Many of the American landing crafts got caught on a reef, forcing the Marines to wade ashore through chest-high water. Those who did make landfall met great resistance.
Despite heavy losses, the U.S. forces eventually won the battle. But Sam didn’t live to see the victory. He died during the first day of fighting.
Back home, Carey and Mamie received word that their son was missing in action. The Navy would make a presumptive finding of death the next year.
Meanwhile, life went on (and ended) for members of Sam’s immediate family. But in June 2011, an organization recovered three sets of remains in a burial site on Betio. Sam’s were among them.
If I could, I’d tell my fellow Marine mom Mamie Smith something: That the return of her son’s remains to American soil was done right. The day started out dignified at Jackson International with private planeside military honors. Officials closed the interstate for miles. Fifty members of the Patriot Guard straddled Harleys and provided a 3-hour escort back to his hometown where residents were ready and waiting.
And I’d tell her something else, too: It was an honor to stand on an overpass and show some appreciation for the sacrifice of Sam Smith.
I’m Kim Henderson.
NICK EICHER: It takes a lot of people to put this program together each week. Thanks so much to our team:
Brian Basham, Joel Belz, Myrna Brown, Paul Butler, Kent Covington, Laura Edghill, Kristen Flavin, Katie Gaultney, Kim Henderson, Anna Johansen, Leigh Jones, Jill Nelson, Trillia Newbell, Bonnie Pritchett, Mary Reichard, Jenny Rough, Sarah Schweinsberg, Les Sillars, and Cal Thomas.
MEGAN BASHAM: Our audio engineers are Johnny Franklin and Carl Peetz. J.C. Derrick is managing editor, Marvin Olasky editor in chief.
And it’s you who make it all possible. You have our deepest gratitude!
Galatians reminds us that we are all sons of God through faith in Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female. We are all one in Christ Jesus.
Have a great weekend.