MEGAN BASHAM, HOST: Good morning!
Congress is vowing to reform police tactics and hold officers accountable for bad behavior. We’ll talk about the problems and the proposed solutions.
NICK EICHER, HOST: That’s ahead on Washington Wednesday.
Also World Tour.
Plus: If you feel your summer’s been canceled, Emily Whitten has some creative alternatives.
BASHAM: It’s Wednesday, June 10th. This is The World and Everything in It from listener-supported WORLD Radio. I’m Megan Basham.
EICHER: And I’m Nick Eicher. Good morning!
BASHAM: Up next, Kent Covington has today’s news.
KENT COVINGTON, NEWS ANCHOR: Mourners gather in Houston for Floyd funeral » AUDIO: I will say of the Lord, He is my refuge and my fortress. He is my God. In him will I trust.
More than 500 mourners wearing masks poured into a Houston church on Tuesday to honor the memory of George Floyd.
Friends and family members remembered him as “Big Floyd.”
FLOYD: I’m going to miss my brother a whole lot, and I thank God for giving me my own personal Superman.
Several elected officials attended the service, and Democratic presidential nominee Joe Biden addressed mourners in a taped video message.
BIDEN: And unlike most, you must grieve in public. It’s a burden, a burden that is now your purpose to change the world for the better in the name of George Floyd.
The funeral capped six days of mourning for Floyd in three cities.
Following the service, Floyd’s golden casket was taken by hearse toward a cemetery in suburban Houston where he was to be entombed next to his mother. A mile from the graveyard, the casket was transferred to a glass-sided carriage drawn by a pair of white horses.
Hundreds gathered along the procession route and outside the cemetery entrance to pay respects.
Prosecutors charge NYPD officer with assaulting protester » Prosecutors in New York City are charging an NYPD officer with assault after he was caught on video shoving a woman to the ground during recent protests.
Officer Vincent D’Andraia is also being charged with criminal mischief, harassment, and menacing. During a protest in Brooklyn on May 29th, D’Andraia told protester Dounya Zayer to move to the side of the road. When she didn’t comply, video footage appeared to show the officer violently shove her to the ground. Prosecutors say she suffered a concussion and a seizure.
The police department suspended D’Andraia last week without pay.
Meantime, the head of New York’s police union said Tuesday the wrong actions of a few should not be used to judge police everywhere. Mike O’Meara told reporters…
O’MEARA: Our legislators abandoned us. The press is vilifying us.
And he added that NYPD badges are not stained by the actions of former Minneapolis Police officer Derek Chauvin.
O’MEARA: We roundly reject what he did as disgusting. It’s disgusting. It’s not what we do. It’s not what police officers do.
And he said little attention is being paid to officers hurt or killed in the line of duty.
General becomes first black officer to lead a U.S. military branch » The Senate on Tuesday unanimously confirmed Gen. Charles Brown Jr. as chief of staff of the U.S. Air Force. That makes him the first black officer to lead one of the nation’s military branches.
Vice President Mike Pence presided over the vote, calling the moment “historic.”
Also this week, Pentagon officials said they’re open to renaming military bases currently named after Confederate generals.
Army Col. Sunset Belinsky said this week that both Defense Secretary Mark Esper and Army Secretary Ryan McCarthy have signaled that they’re willing to consider the changes.
The U.S. Army has 10 bases named after Confederate generals—including Ft. Bragg in North Carolina, Ft. Hood in Texas, and Ft. Lee in Virginia.
Trump aiming to restart campaign rallies soon » With more states reopening, President Trump is aiming to resume campaign rallies in the coming weeks.
And Republican National Committee Chairwoman Ronna McDaniel said she does not expect half-empty venues.
MCDANIEL: Oh, I think they’ll be fully rallies. Listen, when we went to North Carolina and I spoke to the governor, talking about the convention, we were talking about doing temperature checks, testing everybody before they come in, lots of precautions to make sure we were putting the safety of convention goers first. I think it will be the same with the rallies.
The RNC is still working out what those precautions will be and where the Trump rallies will take place.
The president announced last week that he was pulling the public portions of the 2020 GOP convention from Charlotte. That after North Carolina would not guarantee that it would allow indoor crowds at the convention.
The president’s eagerness to resume rallies comes as internal and public surveys show him trailing in national polls to presumptive Democratic presidential nominee Joe Biden.
Burundi’s president dies unexpectedly » The small East African nation of Burundi announced Tuesday that its president, Pierre Nkurunziza, has died of a heart attack at age 56. But many are questioning whether he really died of COVID-19. WORLD’s Kristen Flavin has more.
KRISTEN FLAVIN, REPORTER: The statement posted on social media said the president was admitted to a hospital overnight Saturday after not feeling well. He appeared better Sunday but his health abruptly worsened on Monday.
Despite the government’s statement, some in Burundi wondered whether Nkurunziza died from the coronavirus instead. His wife was reportedly flown to Kenya and hospitalized for COVID-19 in late May.
Burundi’s government has downplayed the virus. And authorities kicked out the World Health Organization’s top official in the country just days before last month’s election.
The outgoing president’s death comes weeks before president-elect and ruling party candidate Evariste Ndayishimiye was expected to be sworn in.
Reporting for WORLD, I’m Kristen Flavin.
I’m Kent Covington. Straight ahead: reforming America’s police departments.
Plus, Janie B. Cheaney on the one thing we’re all looking for.
This is The World and Everything in It.
NICK EICHER: It’s Wednesday the 10th of June, 2020. Glad to have you along for today’s edition of The World and Everything in It. Good morning, I’m Nick Eicher.
MEGAN BASHAM: And I’m Megan Basham. First up: police reform.
On Monday, Democrats unveiled a bill they’re calling the Justice in Policing Act. The goal is to prevent future incidents that lead to suspects dying during encounters with officers.
The bill would establish a federal ban on chokeholds, mandate the use of body cameras, and create a national database of officers accused of abusing their power.
It would also eliminate a legal precedent that helps shield officers from civil lawsuits. And it would put an end to programs that help police departments buy military-grade equipment.
EICHER: Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell said he would review the proposal. But it’s not clear how much support it would get in the Republican-controlled Senate.
Joining us now to talk about what’s in the proposal is Clark Neily. He is vice president for criminal justice at the Cato Institute. He is also an adjunct professor at George Mason University’s Antonin Scalia Law School. Thanks for joining us today.
CLARK NEILY, GUEST: My pleasure, great to be with you.
EICHER: I’d like to start by talking about a proposal in the bill that you’ve advocated for a long time—an end to qualified immunity. Now, that’s a legal term that’s not broadly known, so at the risk of oversimplifying, it basically gives police officers some immunity from lawsuits in civil courts for their on-the-job actions.
Maybe dive into why you think qualified immunity is bad policy and if we end it, what will that do?
NEILY: Right. So, to be clear, it’s not a complete bar against civil lawsuits, it just makes it extraordinarily difficult. But we should really take a step back because the fundamental question is this: When you clothe government officials, including particularly police officers, with the immense power that we do—they have the power to arrest people, they have the power to take life—when you clothe a government official with that much power, it is extraordinarily important what kind of accountability comes with it. And unfortunately what we’ve embraced in this country is what I call a near-zero policy of accountability for members of law enforcement.
And qualified immunity is really the cornerstone of that near-zero accountability policy. And here’s why: There are really only three ways to hold a police officer accountable for abusing his authority. The first is a criminal prosecution. And that almost never happens. You have to have kind of what we had in Minneapolis, a viral video, tremendous pressure to bring charges. But that almost never happens, largely because prosecutors have a massive conflict of interest when it comes to bringing charges against police officers since they work so closely with them.
Another mechanism is internal accountability, such as citizen review board or internal affairs. Those don’t work at all, largely because you’re asking the police to decide whether the police did anything wrong and they always say no.
So that leaves really only one avenue for ensuring accountability on the part of police and other government officials and that’s the ability to bring a civil damages claim in court. And that’s where qualified immunity comes into play by providing a defense to almost any kind of conduct you can come up with. We can get into the guts of it in a moment, but it makes it very, very difficult to sue police officers. And once you cannot do that, there’s really no accountability at all.
EICHER: Those who support qualified immunity say ending it will make police officers reluctant to do their jobs for fear of being sued. Are there ways to mitigate the concern?
NEILY: No, it’s completely made up. It’s just a complete red herring. There’s no empirical evidence whatsoever to support the idea that police will radically change their behavior if they are suddenly required to be accountable just like the rest of us are. It just doesn’t work that way. But it is a favorite response of people who kind of want to try to scare politicians and others into not reforming qualified immunity by getting rid of it.
But the bottom line is this: We are held to a very high standard of accountability by members of law enforcement as citizens, and it should not be a double-standard. If we are going to be held to a high level of accountability by them, they should be held to a high level of accountability by us.
EICHER: At the height of the protests over George Floyd’s death, President Trump threatened to deploy the military to help quell the violence. But in some places it looked like that had already happened. Police officers faced off with protesters were decked out in full tactical gear, armed with tear gas and rubber bullets, and backed by armored vehicles.
Most police departments wouldn’t have that kind of equipment if it weren’t for federal programs that allow them to buy surplus military equipment from the U.S. government. The proposed legislation would put an end to that.
Do you think having this kind of equipment contributes to more militarized tactics that ultimately put civilians’ lives in danger?
NEILY: Oh, absolutely. There’s no question about it. And it’s not just more militarized tactics. It’s a more militarized mindset. When you kit somebody out as a soldier, you put them in a mindset where they are essentially in opposition to the surrounding population. And that’s very much the attitude that we see on the part of many—not all—but many police officers. And so the militarization of police is absolutely a significant part of that. It doesn’t just change tactics, it changes the mindset. And just to take one horrific example, the Department of Defense has distributed 12,000 bayonets to local police departments. What on earth does a civilian, peace-keeping force have need of bayonets for? That is terrifying.
EICHER: The proposed legislation does not include any mention of defunding police departments. But that idea had gotten a lot of attention in the last few days, especially after a majority of Minneapolis city council members said they wanted to disband that city’s police department. You recently wrote that America’s criminal justice system is “rotten to the core.” Do you think we need to start from scratch, as the move for defunding suggests? Or can we address problems with reforms?
NEILY: It’s a tough call. I would say this: I think defunding police is more of a slogan than it is an actual policy proposal. It’s vitally important to have a well-functioning criminal justice system. You can’t have complete lawlessness and you have to have police in order to have a well-functioning criminal justice system. The problem is that the rot in our criminal justice system is so deep that people are skeptical whether it can be reformed, or whether it has to be completely reconstituted. That, I think, is a very close call. But at the end of the day, you will need to have something like a professional police force in order to enforce and investigate the laws. But the way we’re doing it now, absolutely needs to be completely overhauled.
EICHER: Is there something you would like to see lawmakers consider that is not on the table at the moment? And do you think any of these proposals have a chance of getting through a very divided Congress?
NEILY: There are, yeah. So, the number one pathology of America’s criminal justice system in my judgement is what I call “point-and-convict” adjudication. What I mean by that is that prosecutors have become so adept at coercing people into pleading guilty that there are almost no trials in America anymore. More than 95 percent of all criminal convictions come from guilty pleas that have been coerced. I think of the criminal justice system as a gigantic wood-chipper and when you allow coercive plea bargaining to be your primary mechanism for adjudicating criminal charges, you can throw absolutely every bit of human material into that wood-chipper that you want and you will always get the same thing coming out the other end, which is convictions. That is an extraordinarily dangerous arrangement to have in any society and it is absolutely the fundamental operating principle for America’s criminal justice system. And that is coerced adjudication.
EICHER: Well, Clark, let’s talk about counting votes. Do you think the idea of ending qualified immunity is a thing that would gain some traction not only among Democrats—I think they’re basically there—but among Republicans? Do you think this is the kind of thing, actually, that could lead to some bipartisan action?
NEILY: I do. Democrats have taken the lead on this so far, which is not unusual on criminal justice reform issues. But what is unusual is the openness and the interest in qualified immunity reform—and I should just come out and say it, eliminating qualified immunity—among Republicans. I think that’s picking up momentum. I think it will increase. And I think that when you understand how qualified immunity works and what role it plays in our system, it’s no surprise that there would be bipartisan support for eliminating it. Because, again, members of law enforcement insist upon a massive double standard whereby they hold the rest of us to very high levels of accountability, but insist on very low levels of accountability for themselves. I think that is utterly unsustainable.
EICHER: Well, what do you think the political obstacles are? Do you think that largely we’re talking about police union resistance to the idea of ending qualified immunity?
NEILY: Well, I think that certainly plays a significant part of it. Police unions are very powerful and if you lump them together with prosecutor unions and prison guard unions and call that the law enforcement lobby, it’s extremely strong. Probably the second or third strongest lobby in the country.
But it’s not just unions. We employ millions of people in the business of investigating, prosecuting, and convicting people, and ultimately incarcerating them. So you have hundreds of thousands or millions of people who will resist any effort to fundamentally reform the system as it is now.
EICHER: Clark Neily is vice president for criminal justice at the Cato Institute. He’s also a law professor at George Mason University. And he served as co‐counsel in District of Columbia v. Heller, in which the Supreme Court upheld the individual right to own a gun for self‐defense. Thanks so much for joining us today!
NEILY: It’s my pleasure. Thanks so much for having me on.
MEGAN BASHAM: Coming up next on The World and Everything in It: World Tour with Africa reporter Onize Ohikere.
ONIZE OHIKERE, REPORTER: Congo Ebola outbreak—We start today here in Africa.
AUDIO [Sound of Congo Health Minister]
Ebola is back in the Democratic Republic of Congo. On June 1st, the country’s health minister reported six deaths and 12 total infections. The new cases mark the country’s third outbreak in two years. More than 2,000 people have died since 2018.
The new infections come just weeks before the country hoped to declare an end to the disease. Research from the DRC show the new outbreak likely came from an infected animal.
The virus is passed by bodily fluids and has an average fatality rate of about 50 percent. The country is also battling COVID-19 and the world’s largest measles outbreak.
Mali protests—Next we go to Mali.
AUDIO: [Sound of Mali protests]
Thousands of people gathered in the streets of the capital on Friday. They blared horns and chanted, demanding the president resign immediately.
AUDIO: [Mali protestor speaking Bambara]
The protesters denounced the government for being corrupt and arresting people arbitrarily. They also called for the release of the opposition leader. He was kidnapped by armed men while campaigning for office in March.
Mali has been in chaos since a 2012 uprising. Rebels overthrew the president, then Islamic insurgents took over. A French-led intervention ousted them in 2013, but jihadists remain active in the area, stoking animosity and violence between ethnic groups.
Israelis protest Netanyahu annexation—Next we go to the Middle East.
AUDIO: [Sound of Israeli protestors]
Crowds of Israelis gathered in Tel Aviv Saturday to protest the government’s plans to annex parts of the occupied West Bank. They waved Palestinian flags and pounded on drums. One protester carried a sign saying “Palestinian lives matter.”
AUDIO: We are brothers, we belong here, both of us, and we can do so much more together than separately.
Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu met with settler groups on Saturday to discuss the annexation plan. Under the new policy, Israel would control about one-third of the West Bank. Palestinians would gain greater independence in the rest of the territory. But Palestinian leaders have rejected the plan. They want the entire West Bank territory to be an independent state with its capital in Jerusalem.
Czech flooding—Next we go to Europe.
AUDIO: [Sound of Czech flooding]
One person has died and another is missing after flash floods hit the Czech Republic. Torrential rains and thunderstorms pounded the region over the weekend, flooding several towns and villages east of Prague. Streets and homes were swamped by more than three feet of water.
Firefighters rescued three dozen people from flooded buildings and cars, or directly from the water.
Quiet D-Day—Finally, we end today in France.
AUDIO: I remember going across the channel, I looked on my right side, and there was a destroyer, very close.
Veterans and a handful of visitors marked the anniversary of D-Day on Saturday, June 6th. The beaches of Normandy are usually packed with crowds from all over the world. This remembrance was much quieter because of coronavirus travel restrictions. A few locals attended, wearing vintage clothes. French fighter jets soared overhead, trailing plumes of colored smoke.
One local fisherman said, “Even if we are only a dozen, we are here to commemorate.”
That’s this week’s World Tour. Reporting for WORLD, I’m Onize Ohikere in Abuja, Nigeria.
NICK EICHER: Somewhere “under a canopy of stars in the lush, forested vegetation of the Rocky Mountains” lay a treasure chest.
For a decade, hundreds of thousands of people hunted in vain for the bronze box said to be filled with riches.
But until now only one man knew where it was hidden and what secrets it contained.
FENN: Well, I made it hard deliberately. If it was easy anyone could do it.
That man is Forrest Fenn, a wealthy antiques collector who hid the chest somewhere north of Santa Fe, New Mexico.
At least five people died trying to find it. But Fenn, who is now 89, repeatedly declared the location was not dangerous.
FENN: I have said don’t search anyplace where a 79 or 80-year-old man couldn’t hide that treasure chest.
The treasure map was a poem in Fenn’s 2010 autobiography called The Thrill of the Chase. He invented the modern treasure hunt as a way to draw more people outside to enjoy God’s creation.
And one treasure hunter, Michigan mom Chloe Harp, said it worked.
HARP: It’s brought us together out in nature, out in sunshine. I mean, I think that’s what Forrest wanted. And it gave us a perspective of the world that our children will never forget.
It was filled with gold coins, jewelry and other valuables worth about a million dollars.
It’s The World and Everything in It.
NICK EICHER: Today is Wednesday, June 10th. Thank you for turning to WORLD Radio to help start your day.
Good morning. I’m Nick Eicher.
MEGAN BASHAM: And I’m Megan Basham.
Perhaps your email inbox is full of summer event cancelations: sports camps, family vacations, reunions. For many, it seems that “summer’s been canceled.”
But WORLD correspondent Emily Whitten says, there are plenty of creative alternatives if you take the time to look.
NEWSCAST: Nashville’s public pools will be allowed to open in phase two of the mayor’s reopening plan…
EMILY WHITTEN, CORRESPONDENT: Here in Nashville, the public pools are open—some of the time. And at least one church denomination is holding camp—for now. But many doors remain slammed shut.
One closed door affecting our family—summer employment.
My girls often babysit, but with so many parents at home, there’s not much need for babysitters this year. Other teens I know can’t do their usual work as counselors at church camps or life-guards at the pool.
Some humility and creativity may be helpful if your kids are in similar situations. A couple of teens I know will be serving up fast food. One nephew, a hand’s-on sort, started a business cleaning car headlights.
Crafty teens may want to give Etsy or Ebay a try. We know several young ladies who make spending money by selling handwritten Bible verses or other calligraphy projects.
What about recreation?
Our public library’s front doors remain locked, but we can now pick up books at a few locations around town. Even better, we can still access rows of free audiobooks at stories.audible.com. Mixed with unappetizing newer books, families will find excellent versions of classics like The Jungle Book and Sherlock Holmes stories. Here’s a clip from their version of C. S. Lewis’ Screwtape Letters read by Ralph Cosham:
COSHAM: There are two equal and opposite errors into which our race can fall about the devils. One is to disbelieve in their existence. The other is to believe and to feel an excessive and unhealthy interest in them.
Book lovers with younger children may appreciate StorylineOnline.net. This website offers videos of professional actors reading picture books, many of which are classics or high quality. Here’s a clip from Betty White reading Harry the Dirty Dog:
WHITE: Harry was a white dog with black spots who liked everything except getting a bath. So, one day when he heard the water running in the tub…
For families missing summer camp, I suggest a couple of things. First, ask your kids what they miss the most. Then try to recreate a few of those favorite elements closer to home.
For instance, I know one young man disappointed by the cancellation of Boy Scout camp this summer. His survival training didn’t prepare him for this eventuality! But it’s not all bad news. He can still do some local camping and hiking with a few friends. And we hope to invite his family over for a backyard bonfire with chin-dripping smores and storytelling late into the night.
Some families may also find online courses or camps helpful. My oldest planned to attend a sports camp for the first time this year. Instead, we signed her up for Steph Curry’s online masterclass. Not only is Curry one of the best professional basketball players to ever play the game, he’s a strong Christian as well.
CURRY: To maximize the quickest release possible for you, lock in on the path that the ball takes from your catch ready position to your final release point.
All our nearby gyms are still closed, but my daughter practices Curry’s regimen each week on an outside hoop with her sister.
For my youngest, we installed the YouTube Kids app on her tablet. In lieu of arts camp, she can access simple arts and craft tutorials on her own without suggestive ads or videos. I’m especially pleased with a series of beginner ukulele videos we found as part of the app. The upbeat videos encourage her to pick up her ukelele on boring days and learn at her own pace:
LESSON: How’s it going, guys? Welcome to this 10-day starter course for ukulele where we’re gonna be learning the easiest chords you can play on a ukulele and get started with some real songs right from day one!
We also enrolled her in an online course at Code Kingdoms. If she’ll stick with it, hopefully she’ll learn how to code using Minecraft and Roblox. She’s done a little bit of coding before using Scratch, a free online language and coding community. So, we hope to build on that foundation.
Finally, on the topic of family discipleship, we’re mourning the loss of Vacation Bible School. VBS allows my kids to build relationships with children in our church of all ages. Through simple lessons and play time, my girls can shepherd hearts and grow enthusiasm for God’s Word.
MUSIC: [The B-i-b-l-e]
We can’t recreate V-B-S in its entirety, but we are trying to keep in touch with several families in our church. Outside activities like berry picking or creek tubing can be great ways to connect kids of all ages together.
I also hope Christians won’t overlook family worship and discipleship. Just 10 minutes of Bible reading and prayer a day add up to 60 hours in one year! That’s the instruction time of three typical Vacation Bible Schools.
I wonder, could churches find ways to creatively support parents in this task? Maybe provide a small bag of crafts or coloring pages? Or links to child-friendly hymns and teaching via a church email? Here’s a clip of a recent Bible Project video our family listened to about Micah:
BIBLE PROJECT: The book of the prophet Micah. Micah lived in a small town named Moresheth in the Southern kingdom of Judah about the same time as Isaiah, and both the northern and southern kingdoms had split long ago and both had been violating their covenant with the God of Israel.
One door that won’t ever shut—the door of God’s throne room. As we seek His guidance for our families this summer, we can rest knowing God is at work within us. His work won’t ever be canceled or postponed.
Reporting for WORLD, I’m Emily Whitten.
MEGAN BASHAM: Today is Wednesday, June 10th. Good morning! This is The World and Everything in It from listener-supported WORLD Radio. I’m Megan Basham.
NICK EICHER: And I’m Nick Eicher. Next up, Janie B. Cheaney has some advice for those seeking a little personal improvement.
JANIE B. CHEANEY, COMMENTATOR: He appeared to have it all: youth, wealth, standing, pedigree. Sincere and pious, too: a credit to his nation. Still, he came looking: “Good teacher, what must I do to inherit eternal life?”
This is the question of those who have it all. The poor don’t ask him this. Those beaten down by poverty or anxious about the crop or terrified they’ll lose a child are too beset by this life to spare much thought for the next. Only those who are comfortable in the world sense that there must be more to it. Only those who have all they need recognize that there’s a lot more to want. Hence the question.
The problem is, this young man is looking to add to what he already has. He’s looking for the one thing that will make it all meaningful.
That’s the lure of online click bait: “This weird trick will double your dividends!” “Learn the secret that will add years to your life!” It’s the promise of a thousand self-help books: The Secret, The One-Minute Manager, Your Best Life Now. If we could only master the one thing, we could flood our lives with purpose and joy. Self-help wouldn’t be self-help without the evangelistic angle: do this and live!, whether it’s optimizing your time or consuming the perfect diet.
Jesus answers the young man with a list from the Ten Commandments. He knows the answer he will get, and sure enough: “I’ve followed these from my youth.” Many of us could nod right along: Don’t steal, lie, murder, commit adultery, or dis your parents: check.
“Well then,” says Jesus, “there is one thing you lack.”
Here it is—the One Thing! Just imagine that young man learning forward eagerly, ears quivering, heart pounding, ready to catch the secret of the ages.
Are we listening, too? Because there really is One Thing:
Turn your priorities upside-down.
Radically reorient your desires.
Give it all up.
The One Thing can’t be added to anything we already have, whether it’s talent, health, wealth, or piety. It will replace and repurpose those things. When Jesus was reeling off commandments, they were all from the “second table”—those that address our earthly relationships. He left out the first one, about loving God with all that is in us. Number One is the One Thing, and there’s a catch: it’s the commandment only Jesus could keep.
But that’s why he adds, without pausing for a response, “Then come, and follow me.” Because only he can lead us out of ourselves and into the glorious light of full surrender which is the essence of eternal life.
The young man who had it all couldn’t let go. What about us? The One Thing is still one thing: reorder your loves. Then, follow me.
I’m Janie B. Cheaney.
NICK EICHER: Today, you heard a critical take on police conduct. Tomorrow, we’ll hear from criminologists and former officers to get their take on the problem.
And, we’ll talk to a human-rights lawyer about new policies designed to protect religious-liberty overseas.
That and more tomorrow.
I’m Nick Eicher.
MEGAN BASHAM: And I’m Megan Basham.
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