The World and Everything in It — July 13, 2020

BRIAN BASHAM, HOST: Good morning!

Today on Legal Docket, we’ll go into the meaning of “qualified immunity.” It’s a hot topic these days and has been ever since we saw video of the encounter between a Minneapolis police officer and George Floyd.

NICK EICHER, HOST: Also today on the Monday Moneybeat, a mixed bag of news on the economy with bankruptcies and talk of job furloughs, but an up-week for the markets … 

We’ll talk with analyst and advisor David Bahnsen.

Plus, the WORLD History Book. Today, a space probe reaches its destination nine years after it’s launched.

And Trillia Newbell with an election season challenge for Christians.

BASHAM: It’s Monday, July 13th. This is The World and Everything in It from listener-supported WORLD Radio. I’m Brian Basham.

EICHER: And I’m Nick Eicher. Good morning!

BASHAM: Up next, Kent Covington has today’s news.

KENT COVINGTON, NEWS ANCHOR: Fla. breaks single-day record for new COVID-19 in any state » Florida on Sunday shattered the national record for a state’s largest single-day spike of new COVID-19 cases. More than 15,000 people tested positive.

Speaking to reporters one day earlier, Governor Ron DeSantis again said he believes more testing is largely behind the surge of new cases. 

DESANTIS: We’ve tested 2.4 million people. That is one for every nine people in the state of Florida. 

He noted that the percentage of tests returning positive seemed to have stabilized in recent weeks. But according to Johns Hopkins University, Florida’s seven-day rolling average rate of positive tests is second-highest in the nation. At about 20 percent, it trails only Arizona.

New cases are also up nationally. The United States recorded 68,000 new cases on Friday, another new record. And the country’s seven-day moving average of COVID-19 deaths hit 700 on Saturday. 

The good news is, that number is only a fraction of what it was in mid-April, when the country reached 2,200 deaths per day. 

Assistant Health Secretary Admiral Brett Giroir told ABC’s This Week… 

GIROIR: This is not out of control, but it requires a lot of effort and everybody’s gonna have to do their part. You’ve really got to stop the bars. You’ve got to decrease restaurant capacity. You’ve got to physically distance. You have to have people wearing a mask in public. It’s absolutely essential.

President Trump wore a mask in public for the first time Saturday.

WHO: Record-high COVID-19 cases worldwide » And the World Health Organization reported a worldwide record rise in coronavirus cases on Sunday: About 230,000. It said the sharpest increases were in the United States and India. Also South Africa with more than 13,000 new cases. 

India reported a record surge of about 29,000 new cases in one day. Authorities there are locking down the city of Banglore for at least a week. Theat’s a major tech hub in India. 

Iran is dealing also with a worsening outbreak, but President Hassan Rouhani says shutdowns are not an option for his country’s reeling economy. 

ROUHANI: [Speaking in Farsi]

He said if Iran tried a large scale lockdown—quote—“the next day, people would come out to protest the (resulting) chaos, hunger, hardship and pressure.”

Lawmakers debate new economic stimulus bill » Congress is back in session one week from today, but lawmakers and the White House are already negotiating over the shape and size of another stimulus package. 

Back in May, House Democrats passed a nearly 2,000-page $3 trillion bill, largely down party lines. It called for another round of $1,200 stimulus checks to even more people.

But Senate Republicans are eyeing a package about a third of that size, just over a trillion dollars. Their plan could also provide another round of direct stimulus payments to Americans, but possibly at a lesser amount and perhaps only to people earning less than $40,000 per year. 

GOP Senator John Barrasso said Sunday that the first priority of a new package should be to get people back to work and children back in school…

BARRASSO: And finally we need to provide the liability insurance for our healthcare workers,  our mom and pop small businesses, and for our schools so they can all open in a good way. 

Last week, Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell said a new stimulus bill faces a steeper uphill climb than the CARES Act passed back in March. 

MCCONNELL: This is now July. It’s that much closer to the election. This is  probably going to be more difficult politically to pull everybody together. 

The White House says President Trump supports spending $2 trillion on a new stimulus bill. 

Mueller, lawmakers feud over Trump commutation of Stone sentence » Democrats on Sunday blasted President Trump for commuting the prison sentence of longtime ally Roger Stone on Friday—just days before he was set to report to prison. House Intelligence Committee Chairman Adam Schiff…

SCHIFF: The president through this commutation is basically saying if you lie for me, if you cover up for me, if you have my back, then I will make sure that you get a get out of jail free card. 

And former special counsel Robert Mueller spoke out over the weekend. In an op-ed in the Washington Post, he answered White House charges that the Russia probe was a “witch hunt” and that Stone was unfairly targeted. 

Roger Stone told reporters on Friday … 

STONE: The investigation of Robert Mueller, we now know indisputably was illegitimate, that there was no legal basis for it being opened. 

But Mueller wrote that the probe was of “paramount importance.” And he added that Stone—in his words—“remains a convicted felon, and rightly so.” 

A jury found the 67-year-old guilty of seven felony charges brought by Mueller’s office. Those included lying to Congress and witness tampering. 

Mueller wrote that though he felt compelled to respond to—quote—“claims that our investigation was illegitimate and our motives were improper.”

But hours later, Senate Judiciary Chairman Lindsey Graham said he thinks Mueller has more explaining to do. On Sunday, he announced that he plans to call the former special counsel to testify about the Russia probe. 

I’m Kent Covington. Straight ahead: the legal history of qualified immunity.

Plus, Trillia Newbell on the importance of loving our neighbors, especially during election season.

This is The World and Everything in It.

BRIAN BASHAM: It’s Monday July 13th, 2020. Glad to have you along for today’s edition of The World and Everything in It. Good morning, I’m Brian Basham.

NICK EICHER: And I’m Nick Eicher. Good to be with ya, Bash. 

We’ve been having a good time working together on WORLD Watch—current-events video news for teens. You’re doing great with that.

Good response to the free “News in 3” videos we’ve been making since the spring. 

But today, this is a nice milestone day.

BASHAM: It is. It is. We’ve released kind of a prototype this morning. A prototype of the 10-minute daily news video that we’re rolling out in August for schools and homeschools… 

So, more than the three-minute videos we’ve been doing since the first of May. This’ll give you a real flavor for what WORLD Watch is going to be: Ten minutes of news and features—we’ll take the time to deliver the news but also go into what it means and give students and teachers and parents good fodder for talking and thinking and helping to develop a Christian mind around the news of the day.

EICHER: So, yes, we’ve got a link to it in today’s transcript at 

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Well, first up on The World and Everything in It, Legal Docket.

Today, with Mary Reichard on vacation this week—speaking of new features to come from WORLD—you’ll hear from Mary’s partner in the upcoming Legal Docket podcast. Today, our report comes from journalist and lawyer Jenny Rough.


FLOYD: I can’t breathe. My face. Just get up.

OFFICER: What do you want?

FLOYD: I can’t breathe. Please, the knee in my neck. I can’t breathe.

JENNY ROUGH, REPORTER: It’s been seven weeks since police officer Derek Chauvin placed his knee on George Floyd’s neck during an arrest in Minneapolis. Floyd died in that incident.

AUDIO: [Protestors]

PROTESTORS: No, justice, no peace! Prosecute the police!

His death stirred up debate over a legal doctrine known as qualified immunity.

Qualified immunity is a defense. It prevents government officials from personal liability for constitutional-rights violations in some circumstances.

We hear calls now to abolish it. Or reform it.

Now, this is a complex area of law. I talked with four different experts to help explain. To lead us off, here’s Melvin Otey. He’s a law professor at Faulkner University.

MELVIN OTEY: For a long time and before our country was founded, I mean, we inherited the common law from England I mean, you know, murder was murder, and there was no statute for it. Kidnapping was kidnapping, there was no statute for it. And so we sort of brought all of that into American jurisprudence and added statutory law on top of it.

We adopted that judge-made law from those old English courts. And part of the common law—:

OTEY: You couldn’t sue the king!

Sovereign immunity.

America doesn’t have a king, of course. And at the founding of our nation, one of the big concerns was oppression from the government.

Hence, the Bill of Rights.

Like the First Amendment’s protection of free speech. And:

OTEY: The Fourth Amendment in particular presents a list of restrictions on government agents who are investigating crimes, okay? So the prominent one, or the most prominent one, is a protection against unreasonable searches and seizures. The court has interpreted this idea of a seizure to include killing someone.

Congress began to put laws on the books.

Like 42 United States Code, Section 1983: That allows a person to sue state actors for violating constitutional rights.

OTEY: 42 U.S.C. 1983, that would allow a person to sue the government if a state actor, and it’s oftentimes a police officer, uses excessive force. I could sue and say, well these are all the ways that I was injured because you violated my constitutional rights, right? These are all the physical injuries and the property damage and emotional harms, and you know, and so then I could potentially be made whole financially.

The statute doesn’t mention qualified immunity. Yet over the years, courts allowed that as a defense to Section 1983 claims.

Now, here’s an important clarification: After Floyd’s death, officer Derek Chauvin was charged with second-degree murder.

Al Johnson is a St. Louis-based attorney who practices in the area of police misconduct. He says the criminal and civil bodies of law get mixed up pretty easily in these cases.

AL JOHNSON: One thing that’s misunderstood is that when we talk about the area of police misconduct, there are several different venues in which those types of situations are dealt with. First one is the criminal venue where an officer does something so egregious that he or she is charged with a crime. The intentional deliberate taking of a human life is murder. That’s pretty simple, and then a jury listens to that and applies the facts to it and decides whether the police officer involved intentionally took the life of George Floyd.

Qualified immunity won’t apply.

JOHNSON: That’s totally outside the realm of criminal law.

But while that criminal lawsuit is being resolved, Floyd’s survivors could file a civil lawsuit—a Section 1983 claim.

If they were to succeed, they may be entitled to money damages. Except.

This is where qualified immunity could kick in to prevent that from happening. Floyd’s survivors would have to clear a hurdle:

JOHNSON: You have to prove that the conduct the officer engaged in was prohibited by clearly established law.

That’s the legal standard: clearly established law.

It came from an opinion the Supreme Court handed down in a 1982 case called Harlow v. Fitzgerald.

Barry McDonald is a Constitutional Law professor at Pepperdine University. He walks us through the Harlow case.

BARRY MCDONALD: Harlow v. Fitzgerald was a lawsuit by Mr. Fitzgerald who was an analyst for the Air Force who testified before Congress that the Air Force was essentially hiding big cost overrides that were happening on a Lockheed jet that was being developed under contract with the federal government. So it was a big allegation of misconduct by the Air Force.

The Air Force fired Fitzgerald for exposing the misconduct.

He sued President Nixon and some of his aides for violating his First Amendment free-speech rights.

The Court held that the presidential aides were entitled to a qualified immunity defense. In order for Fitzgerald to overcome it—

MCDONALD: You have to be able to say that a reasonable officer should have known that somebody’s rights were clearly established and being violated in a particular situation before you can say that they don’t have qualified immunity.

So: Section 1983 says you can sue a government official for violating your rights. But then qualified immunity says, well, yes, you can sue, but you’ve got to jump a huge hurdle to get a remedy!

Over the years, the Court made incremental adjustments to the doctrine. The Court applied the modern doctrine in the 2018 case Kisela v. Hughes.

MCDONALD: Where in Kisela we had an incident in Tucson, Arizona, where the police had received reports of a woman acting erratically and stabbing a tree with a knife, and so they went to the scene and when they got there they saw a woman standing by a tree and another woman about five yards away…

Amy Hughes was the woman acting erratically. Police officer Andrew Kisela told her to drop the knife. She didn’t. Kisela shot her four times. She survived her gunshot wounds and sued. The Supreme Court said qualified immunity shields Kisela from liability. His conduct didn’t violate clearly established law.

MCDONALD: You have to look at the specific conduct and the specific sort of situation that the officer was facing before you say that he should’ve known he was clearly violating this person’s constitutional rights by shooting her, and when we look at the cases we don’t see a case that’s close enough on point.

That approach is what’s come under criticism. The more unique the fact pattern, the less likely the court has ever ruled on it. Because the specific conduct is different.

If George Floyd’s survivors bring a civil lawsuit, this will be one of the debates. Floyd’s lawyers will likely look for a pre-existing case that’s similar enough, maybe a case involving a chokehold as excessive force.

But it isn’t as if proponents of qualified immunity are without good arguments in favor. John Churchville is a lawyer who teaches at Lancaster Bible College:

CHURCHVILLE: Well, the pro is keeping people from frivolous lawsuits. Obviously, in America, we’re the most litigious society ever in the history of the world. The officer handcuffed me too tight, I’m going to sue him personally. Oh, the officer was rude to my mom.

Also: Without it there’s a chilling effect. People might be deterred from entering law enforcement. Or afraid to act for fear they would be sued.

That’s not to say nothing should be done. Johnson says there needs to be a better database to track police officers who are repeatedly caught in excessive force situations. Too often rogue officers will get fired from one department and just move to another. 

Churchville says a good place to start is to be a peacemaker. Changing a bunch of laws won’t do any good if hearts aren’t changed.

CHURCHVILLE: What are we trying to achieve? We want to save lives. We want to respect and honor and dignify police, judges, protestors, innocent people, guilty people, families, so let’s start with that, and let’s see what’s going to value everyone’s life that’s involved here.

And that’s it for this week’s Legal Docket.

BRIAN BASHAM: Coming up next on The World and Everything in It: The Monday Moneybeat.

NICK EICHER: Let’s go straight to New York where financial analyst and advisor David Bahnsen is today in his office there—after months largely unable to travel—working from home in California. David joins us once again to talk about the state of the economy. David, good morning, good to see you.

DAVID BAHNSEN, GUEST: Well, good morning. Good to be with you.

EICHER: So, week of gains on Wall Street. Was it a moderate kind of week or what do you say?

BAHNSEN: Well, it was kind of a boring week net-net. But day by day, the market was up over 400 Monday, down 400 Tuesday, up 200 Wednesday, down almost 400 Thursday, up almost 400 Friday. So, yes, it ended up being up about 275 points, but a lot of volatility still, Nick.

EICHER: Funny you said that. Just as you were running the numbers, I was saying to myself, sounds like a volatile week. But volatility is what’s boring now, right?

BAHNSEN: Yeah. I think that this is something that investors at least have to get used to. But, really, even for non-investors that are just kind of curious about where we are in the economy, which is obviously what you and I spend a lot of time talking about, there is a lot of up and down volatility that is to be expected around the various uncertainties that exist in the system right now. There’s COVID uncertainties. There’s election uncertainties. There’s economic uncertainties. So, certainly you’re going to get that volatility in the market. Net-net, I think there’s a lot of good news out there, but there’s a lot of challenges, too.

EICHER: Well, let’s talk about challenges. We heard Brooks Brothers, the clothing manufacturer, has filed for bankruptcy. People not dressing for going to the office or having meetings. I remember a month or two ago reading Brooks Brothers was going to be sewing facemasks. But now finds itself in bankruptcy.

BAHNSEN: Let me just get the Brooks Brothers thing out of the way, but I’ll lump in with that Neiman Marcus, Limited Brands—there’s a couple of either department stores or wholesale brands that have declared bankruptcy since COVID started and I don’t think anyone should be confused. Those companies were going to go bankrupt with or without COVID. COVID probably accelerated some of it, but these were troubled companies, indebted, that had just kind of struggled through the sort of creative destruction of capitalism. There’s job losses. No one ever wants to see deterioration economically to any stakeholder in a company, but I don’t think that those types of things are indicative of the macroeconomic conditions. 

The really structural stuff is what you and I have talked about the most over the last four months or so that we’ve been doing this. And that’s in the employment side. And I continue to be concerned at the elevated initial joblessness. You would think that number would have been coming down by now. It did hit its new COVID low of a little over 1.3 million on Thursday of this week. And that was less than expected, barely. The continuous claims were down almost a million and that was more than expected. That’s good, but I think until we can really feel—you’re going to see those numbers have to get a lot better before we can feel significantly out of the woods.

EICHER: Let’s talk about travel. United Airlines is talking furloughs. What does this say about that sector of the economy? The top four or five carriers are bunched up at the top—with 15 to 18 percent domestic market share each. United is among them and talking about 36,000 furloughs—not quite half the workforce, but close to it. It’s a lot.

BAHNSEN: No, it is. And I don’t know without unpacking it better what is global or international employees versus domestic. There’s a lot of spots around the world right now where international flights are still really delayed. Here’s what I know on the global story of air travel: there were 300,000 people who traveled Memorial Day weekend on one day. TSA actual headcount and there were 750,000 that traveled last Saturday. And two weeks before was like 600,000. So, the number doubled and then through the last two weeks of a lot of increases in COVID and more media craziness, the number still went up another 20 percent or so. But we were at 3 million or 2.8 million or something a year ago. So, like so many things, the numbers are way better and nowhere near where they need to be.

EICHER: Haven’t asked a political question in awhile. What can you read from the market about how it might react to the prospect of a Joe Biden presidency—that’s got to be priced in at this point. Or is that a dumb thing to think about this early?

BAHNSEN: Look, the idea that the market isn’t at all pricing in Biden is absurd. The market is not stupid and the market knows that Biden has a probably double digit lead, if not at least a very comfortable high single digit lead. Here’s the part that matters to markets more—and matters to me more: the Senate. Because if Biden is going to be our president and he says he’s going to do this, this, and this to the economy but there’s 51 Republican senators, then he’s not doing this, this, or this to the economy. So, the Senate is going to be the bigger differential, at least when we’re talking about the market’s reaction to the election, which is a totally different subject than the other political and cultural implications.

EICHER: David Bahnsen, financial analyst and advisor. Good to see you out and about in your New York office again. Thanks. Have a great week.

BAHNSEN: Thanks, Nick.

NICK EICHER: Today is Monday, July 13th. Thank you for turning to WORLD Radio to help start your day. Good morning. I’m Nick Eicher.

BRIAN BASHAM: And I’m Brian Basham. Coming next on The World and Everything in It: the WORLD History Book. 

Five years ago, a space probe completes its survey of the Solar System as it glides past Pluto. 

Plus, a Romanian gymnast becomes the first person in Olympic history to score a perfect 10.

EICHER: But first, a ground-breaking scientist begins her life’s work studying chimpanzees. Here’s Paul Butler.

PAUL BUTLER, REPORTER: We start today on July 14th, 1960.


Twenty-six-year-old Jane Goodall arrives at the Gombe Stream Reserve along the eastern bank of Lake Tanganyika in present-day Tanzania. She’s there to study chimpanzee social behavior in the wild. 

Her love for animals began in her youth, during World War II in England. Audio here from a 2017 interview with Christopher Booker.

GOODALL: I think the importance of my mother’s role—when everybody else laughed at me for wanting to go to Africa…instead of laughing at me, she just said: “If you work hard and take advantage of opportunity, and don’t give up, you’ll get there.”

Her mother joined her for the first four months of her study. 

Over time, the chimps welcomed Jane Goodall’s presence and she was able to observe social behaviors previous naturalists hadn’t. She catalogued many human-like behaviors such as kisses, hugs, and tickling—as well as how they made and used rudimentary tools.

SOUND: The unprecedented film studies of Hugo van Lawick, and Jane Goodall’s patient, methodical approach, combine to revolutionize our fundamental ideas of apes and man.

Jane Goodall became a reluctant media sensation. She’s appeared in more than 40 documentaries. Again, from her interview with Christopher Booker for PBS NewsHour.

GOODALL: You know, I was shy basically. And then this media started coming at me in all directions. Of course in the beginning it was kind of pathetic really. You know, beauty and the beast, Geographic Cover-girl, and all that kind of stuff. 

In the late 1970s she began the Jane Goodall Institute and has worked extensively on conservation and animal preservation ever since. 

Next, July 18th, 1976, during the Montreal Summer Olympics:

AUDIO: She is one of the technically strongest, best gymnast I’ve ever seen… 

All eyes are on 14-year-old gymnast Nadia Comăneci of Romania.

AUDIO: Right to a handstand…

After her 23-second uneven bars routine, she sticks a perfect landing. 

AUDIO: Faultless. Absolutely faultless…now what are the judges going to say about that? [CHEERS] A ten has gone on the board. That’s perfection…

Nadia Comăneci becomes the first person in Olympic history to score a perfect 10—though the scoreboard says “1-point zero zero” as it hadn’t been programmed to display a perfect score. 


During the rest of the summer games, Nadia Comăneci earns six more perfect 10s. She becomes the first Romanian gymnast to win the Olympic all-around title. 

AUDIO: Have you ever seen someone more confident on a four inch beam?

And finally, five years ago this week, NASA’s New Horizons probe performs a flyby of Pluto.

BROWN: Yesterday, the U.S. space program took another historic leap for humankind. Today, the New Horizons team is bringing what was previously a blurred point of light into focus…


NASA launched New Horizons on January 19th, 2006. A year later it used the gravitational pull of Jupiter to sling it to the far reaches of our solar system. 

As it was finally approaching Pluto eight years later, it snapped photos, took atmospheric scans, and countless other scientific readings. The probe sped by the planet at its closest approach on July 14th, 2015. The next morning, New Horizon scientists briefed the press.

PRESS CONFERENCE: Well New Horizons is already a million miles from Pluto now. That’s how fast we’re moving…

Images from the New Horizons probe dramatically changed how the world saw Pluto. It had been downgraded to a dwarf planet in 2006. So for many, the amazing photographs of the brown planet was at least partial redemption for the lonely sentry more than three and a half billion miles from the Sun.

NASA SCIENTISTS: When that first picture came back and it showed that gigantic heart…I can’t explain the feelings that you got. I think my favorite picture from the encounter is the one that shows the…sphere with a heart. 

New Horizon project scientists from a NASA documentary on the mission. 

Pluto was not to be the final destination for New Horizons. On New Year’s Day, 2019, the probe sent back images of a snow-man shaped object orbiting our sun named 2014-MU-69, 4.3 billion miles out there.

Unless the probe malfunctions, it will continue collecting data, and sending it back to earth, until the late 2030s.

That’s this week’s WORLD History Book, I’m Paul Butler.

BRIAN BASHAM: Today is Monday, July 13th. Good morning! This is The World and Everything in It from listener-supported WORLD Radio. I’m Brian Basham.

NICK EICHER: And I’m Nick Eicher. Commentator Trillia Newbell has some thoughts now on loving God and your neighbor this election season.

TRILLIA NEWBELL, COMMENTATOR: Take a quick stroll through my neighborhood and you’ll find fences. Lots of fences. The fences are there for privacy or, in some cases, for aesthetic reasons. But these fences serve one ultimate purpose: protection. 

Fences draw the boundary lines. Fences provide a safeguard so others cannot enter or at least must go through the barrier first. Fences are helpful and often needed.

Metaphorically speaking, we can erect fences in our hearts and minds like those we find in my neighborhood. Those fences can be helpful, too. They can provide a clear distinction for theological convictions. They may help you identify where you fall politically. Clear conviction allows for faithful action. 

But let’s think about my neighborhood again. I can go weeks without seeing certain neighbors because of our fences. Fences can tempt us to be insular. It takes a little extra effort to reach out and enjoy neighbors because we have structures that literally divide us. Some fences even feature the classic “Beware of Dog” sign. In other words, you can’t come in. And if you do, come in at your own risk!

Similarly, our political ideologies can act like fences that divide. There’s an invisible sign that says, “Beware of Human—I might bite!” And unfortunately, often we do bite. We bite and devour our own—our Christian family.

The political season is upon us, and I can already sense the tension boiling up. The dividing lines are drawn, and the fences are growing taller each day. The question is: What will Christians be known for this election cycle?

Jesus gives us a command to love God and love neighbor. And John records how Jesus helps us understand the significance of this type of love. “By this all people will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another” (John 13:35). 

Loving our neighbor doesn’t mean we have to tear down the fence, but it might mean we need to keep the door open and put away the dog. We can have different opinions as long as they honor the Lord and don’t break those two commandments: Love God, love neighbor. 

We can disagree. But too often our disagreement turns into hate, bitterness, judgment, assuming the worst in others, and leaning on our own understanding, not the Lord’s. 

We are divided politically. And we may stay that way. Unity as Christians doesn’t mean uniformity, but it does mean love. Let’s imagine a better, more beautiful political season. This time can be marked by charity, forbearance, forgiveness, and gentleness. We could look a little bit more like the church and less like the world. 

We can’t do this on our own. We will need the power of the Lord to enable us to look at our neighbors behind the fences as image bearers who deserve love. 

What a joy it would be if, come January 2021, we look around and don’t find the carnage of broken relationships because of political differences. It won’t make the news, but it will glorify Jesus and signal to the world that we believe in the One we proclaim.

I’m Trillia Newbell.

NICK EICHER: Tomorrow: Police reform advocates want social workers to respond to 911 calls involving people in a mental health crisis. We’ll tell you about several cities trying that approach.

And, we’ll talk to Dr. Charles Horton about the latest rise in COVID-19 cases.

That and more tomorrow. 

I’m Nick Eicher.

BRIAN BASHAM: And I’m Brian Basham.

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