The World and Everything in It — October 22, 2020


MEGAN BASHAM, HOST: Good morning!

Voters who don’t care for either major party candidate for president could throw their support to a third party candidate.

MARY REICHARD, HOST: Also, an international agreement that’s out of this world.

Plus we’ll meet a man who trains horses for a very special purpose. 

And WORLD Commentator Cal Thomas on tonight’s presidential debate.

BASHAM: It’s Thursday, October 22nd. This is The World and Everything in It from listener-supported WORLD Radio. I’m Megan Basham.

REICHARD: And I’m Mary Reichard. Good morning!

BASHAM: Time now for the news. Here’s Kent Covington.


KENT COVINGTON, NEWS ANCHOR: Trump and Biden prepare for second and final debate » President Trump and Democratic rival Joe Biden will face off tonight in Nashville.

But the president is not happy about multiple changes in the second and final debate.

TRUMP: The whole thing is crazy. This commission, I had problems with them four years ago where they muted my mic. They did a whole thing, they did this to me already. 

The Commission on Presidential Debates announced that at the start of each new topic one candidate will have his microphone muted while the other delivers his two-minute remarks. But the remainder of each 15-minute block will be open discussion, without any muting.

And White House Press Secretary Kayleigh McEnany complained that foreign policy is not on the list of topics. She accused the commission of deliberately steering away from Trump’s foreign policy wins like recent Middle East peace deals.

MCENANY: He will be bringing up these points even if the biased debate commission will not be making this the topic of the debate. 

Trump Campaign Manager Bill Stepien said the campaigns had already agreed that foreign policy would be the focus of this debate. 

Former Vice President Biden spent Wednesday preparing for the debate while his running mate, Sen. Kamala Harris, campaigned in North Carolina. Harris said Biden will speak directly to the needs of Americans during tonight’s event. 

HARRIS: He knows that people want to hear about how we’re going to help working people get through the end of the month and pay their rent. That’s what people care about. 

All major networks will cover the debate, beginning at 9 p.m. Eastern Time. 

Coronavirus cases surging in many states » One topic the candidates are certain to debate is the COVID-19 pandemic as the virus accelerates once again in many countries, including the United States. WORLD’s Kristen Flavin reports. 

KRISTEN FLAVIN, REPORTER: The New York Times reports that as of Monday, nearly one-third of all U.S. “states had added more cases in the prior week than in any other seven-day stretch.” 

And the pandemic is hitting the Midwest especially hard. 

The city of Chicago on Wednesday added five more states to its travel quarantine order. As of tomorrow, anyone traveling to the city from Ohio, Texas, Colorado, Delaware or West Virginia will have to quarantine for two weeks. Thirty-one other states and territories were already on that list.  

In Ohio, more coronavirus patients are now hospitalized than ever before. However, COVID-19 deaths have not risen in the state. 

But new daily deaths are up in North Dakota, which now has the highest number of cases per capita in the country. 

Nationally, COVID-19-related deaths have held relatively steady for more than a month at 7-to-800 per day. 

Reporting for WORLD, I’m Kristen Flavin. 

British prime minister resists opposition calls for nationwide lockdown » The British government on Wednesday put another 1.4 million people into England’s tightest coronavirus restrictions. The South Yorkshire region will face Tier 3 restrictions as of Saturday.

But some say that tiered and targeted measures at the regional level aren’t enough. 

Labour Party Leader Keir Starmer pressed Prime Minister Boris Johnson Wednesday for a nationwide so-called “circuit break” lockdown. 

STARMER: This may be the last opportunity for the prime minister to put in place an effective circuit break. The prime minister was too slow in the first phase of this pandemic. He’s been too slow again. We cannot repeat this mistake. 

But Johnson fired back that Starmer can’t say how long circuit breakers “would go on,” and “he can’t say how much damage they would do” to the British economy.

JOHNSON: Areas that have gone into Tier 3, I believe, are already making progress. And areas where there are restrictions in place are also showing signs of progress. We are pursuing, Mr. Speaker, a local, a regional approach, which is the sensible approach for this country.

In the highest-risk areas of England, pubs have to close and people are barred from mixing with members of other households.

Scotland, Wales, and Northern Ireland have set their own measures, putting “circuit break” lockdowns in place. The lockdown in Wales takes effect at 6 p.m. tomorrow. 

Another coronavirus relief bill stalls in Senate » Back in Washington, for a second straight day, Senate Republicans tried to bring a streamlined coronavirus relief bill to the floor. Again, Democrats shot it down.

AUDIO: The yeas are 51, the nays are 44, and the motion to table is agreed to. 

The $500 billion bill needed 60 votes to advance.

It included $300 billion for the Paycheck Protection Program for small businesses and a federal boost to jobless benefits, among other things. 

Democrats said the package wasn’t a serious effort to address the crisis. 

And Minority Leader Chuck Schumer called it a “fake vote.”

SCHUMER: Because if God forbid, the Senate actually considered a real bill to do something real about this overwhelming COVID crisis, it might delay their Supreme Court nominee. 

But Majority Leader Mitch McConnell fired back…

MCCONNELL: If the Senate turns to Judge Barrett’s nomination without having advanced another historic rescue package, it will only be because Senate Democrats used the filibuster to kill this aid. 

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi is still negotiating with the White House about a coronavirus relief bill worth roughly $2 trillion. 

U.S. officials: OxyContin maker to plead to 3 criminal charges » The company that makes the opioid OxyContin will plead guilty to three felony charges as part of a settlement of more than $8 billion. 

U.S. Attorney for Vermont Christina Nolan said Purdue Pharma’s prescription painkiller helped spark America’s opioid crisis.

NOLAN: Purdue’s expected guilty plea for that conduct will mark the first of its kind in the history of the country, a milestone in our efforts to combat corruption in the healthcare industry and the opioid crisis in America. 

She said the company will plead guilty to crimes including conspiracy to defraud the United States and violating federal anti-kickback laws. 

The opioid addiction and overdose crisis is linked to nearly a half-million deaths in the country since the year 2000.

I’m Kent Covington.

Straight ahead: voting for third-party candidates.

Plus, Cal Thomas with some advice for reforming political debates.

This is The World and Everything in It.


MARY REICHARD: It’s Thursday, October 22nd, 2020. Glad to have you along for today’s edition of The World and Everything in It. Good morning, I’m Mary Reichard.

MEGAN BASHAM: And I’m Megan Basham. First up: third parties.

We hear a lot about Democrats versus Republicans, Biden versus Trump. Many voters avidly support one or the other, but some are dissatisfied with both.

REICHARD: Every election, a few voters opt to cast their ballots for a third party candidate. What’s behind that choice, and what effect does it have on elections? WORLD’s Anna Johansen reports.

ANNA JOHANSEN: Elias Gannage is a young voter in northern Virginia. He cast his first ballot in 2016, supporting Marco Rubio for president.

GANNAGE: Outside of that, I have voted straight Republican on every candidate, and I’ve participated in every single election since then, and voted Republican, both local and at the national level.

But on November 3rd, Gannage doesn’t plan to vote Republican for president. He says he can’t support Donald Trump as the leader of the United States or as the face of the Republican party.

Gannage is also staunchly pro-life. So he doesn’t plan to vote for Democrat Joe Biden, either.

GANNAGE: We make a big claim, to stand for morality, and to stand for truth and what’s right. And because of that, it’s vitally important that we choose a leader who exemplifies what we value, not just in what they say, but in their actions.

Gannage says he has only one option: Voting third party.

There are dozens of political parties in the United States. The Socialist Workers Party, the Peace and Freedom Party, the United States Pirate Party. There’s something for everyone.

Each state handles political parties differently. Some require a party to have a certain number of registered voters in order to get a candidate on the ballot. In other states, a party has to file a petition, or win a percentage of the vote. Most third party candidates don’t make it on the ballot. Voters can write them in, but they don’t get a lot of attention.

Right now, the Libertarian Party is the most popular third party in the United States. If you’ve watched the TV series Parks and Recreation, you might remember this Libertarian, Ron Swanson.

RON SWANSON: Diane, for potholes you want to speak with Public Works. I understand, you’ve tried them four times. Government is inefficient and should be dissolved.

In real life, Libertarians are socially liberal, fiscally conservative. They want smaller government, fewer regulations, more individual rights. This year, Jo Jorgenson is the Libertarian candidate for president. A recent poll showed about 5 percent of American voters backing Jorgenson.

AD: In Jo’s America, marijuana is now safe and legal. Our healthcare system finally sees real competition and falling prices. You get to keep your paycheck. You’re finally free. You’re finally free.

The Libertarian Party doesn’t claim to be pro-life. That’s one reason Elias Gannage isn’t voting Libertarian this year.

GANNAGE: I cannot support the Libertarian candidate, because she definitely is supporting legalized abortion.

Dennis Lowe is a county organizer for the Libertarian Party in upstate New York. He knows Jo Jorgenson won’t actually win the presidency. But he wants to keep the door open for future Libertarian candidates. In New York, if you want to have a place on the ballot, your party has to regularly draw a certain number of votes.

LOWE: So it’s very important for every Libertarian in New York to vote for the Libertarian presidential candidate, because they have greatly increased our requirement for how many ballots we have to have to keep a permanent place on the ballot.

Not everyone likes third parties, because they pull votes away from the two main candidates.

Lee Drutman is a senior fellow at the think tank New America.

DRUTMAN: So you know, if the election is between Joe Biden and Donald Trump, and you would prefer Joe Biden to Trump, but you vote for a third party candidate, you know, that’s, that’s a vote that is not going to Joe Biden. So it’s effectively helping Donald Trump who you preferred less.

The spoiler effect is a common objection to third party voting.

DRUTMAN: In a time in which the elections feel like incredibly high stakes contests, a lot of people do not seem eager to throw away their vote. And as a result, you don’t see strong candidacies for third parties, recognizing that it’s going to be hard to mount any sort of challenge and any sort of serious campaign under such conditions.

Advocates of the two main parties don’t want to lose voters that could tip the election one way or the other. Here’s Michelle Obama speaking at the Democratic National Convention.

MICHELLE OBAMA: Now is not the time to withhold our votes in protest or play games with candidates who have no chance of winning.

But many third party voters say that’s only looking at the short-term effect, instead of thinking long-term. Here’s Elias Gannage.

GANNAGE: Every election cycle, everyone says, This is the most important one ever. 

In 2016, what if more evangelicals had voted third party instead of straight Republican?

GANNAGE: Maybe it would have meant Clinton would have won. And that would have had some major implications. But the next election cycle, the Republican Party would do a much better job of trying to court the evangelical vote.

Voting third party is usually a form of dissent or protest. Gannage hopes his vote, and others like it, will spark change.

GANNAGE: To abstain from voting for one of the two parties and voting for a third one is communicating dissatisfaction in the candidate and saying, well, you need to do something different.

At the end of the day, Dennis Lowe says it depends on what you want to do with your ballot. You can vote as a political statement. You can vote for the person you think is most qualified, or the one you agree with the most, or the one with the best shot at winning.

LOWE: Because there’s that descriptor in front of vote, your vote, right? So it’s, it’s yours to cast however you want. 

Reporting for WORLD, I’m Anna Johansen.


MARY REICHARD: Coming up next on The World and Everything in It: exploring outer space.

On Tuesday, a U.S. spacecraft gathered samples from the asteroid Bennu. It’ll deliver them back home in 2023. Bennu, like many asteroids, contains natural resources that could be mined to fuel deep-space exploration.

MEGAN BASHAM: Mining space resources could eventually become common practice. But earthly laws aren’t adequate to regulate such an otherworldly enterprise. NASA hopes an agreement signed last week will provide a new foundation for exploring, working, and even living in outer space.

WORLD correspondent Bonnie Pritchett has our report.

BRIDENSTINE: What we’re all seeking is the peaceful uses of outer space, the peaceful process of getting to the moon and then enshrine these principles in a document that we all agree to…

REPORTER, BONNIE PRITCHETT: That’s NASA administrator Jim Bridenstine talking to reporters last week after he and the leaders of seven national space agencies signed the Artemis Accords. The brief document lists 13 principles guiding NASA’s mission to the moon, Mars, and beyond. It’s known as the Artemis program.

Nations wanting to collaborate in that endeavor must sign the accords.

KOICHI HAGIUDA: [SPEAKING JAPANESE]

NASA drafted the agreement with input from nations eager to join the mission. They are Australia, Canada, Italy, Japan, Luxembourg, the United Arab Emirates, and the United Kingdom. The virtual signing ceremony took place October 13th during the annual meeting of the International Astronautical Congress.

Noticeably missing from the signatories? Russia and China.

A 2011 amendment authored by then-Representative Frank Wolf prohibits bilateral collaboration between NASA and China or Chinese-owned companies. So Beijing isn’t allowed to participate.

VLAD POVLOV, REPORTER: So, as you remember, the head of Russia’s Space Agency Dmitry Rogozin said…

And Moscow might not be able to afford to, at least for now. 

Michelle Hanlon co-directs the University of Mississippi Center for Air and Space Law.

She believes Russia will eventually sign the accords because of its decades-long cooperative efforts with the United States in outer space.

Since 1967, five treaties drafted by the United Nations have regulated human space activity. The first, commonly called the Outer Space Treaty, is the foundation for the Artemis Accords. Hanlon explains.

HANLON: It didn’t have rules as much as principles and guidelines. And among those principles and guidelines it was pretty vague. Space will be used for peaceful purposes. We won’t militarize space…

Though not a treaty, the new accords address principles of extra-terrestrial cooperation, including the peaceful exploration of space, the interoperability of space-based infrastructures, shared scientific data, and the establishment of safety zones to avoid harmful interference between nations.

Hanlon said the accords also clarify a point of disagreement in the 1967 treaty.

HANLON: Article 2 of the Outer Space Treaty says ‘No sovereign state may appropriate territory in space. Period. Nobody argues with that provision. What it doesn’t say is what happens if you want to use the resources of space…

Bridenstine gave a down-to-Earth explanation.

BRIDENSTINE: We also think it’s important to make sure that when other countries go to the moon and other celestial bodies, they’re able to extract resources. We want to be clear. Under the Artemis Accords there is nobody interested in appropriating the moon or other celestial bodies for national sovereignty. You can extract resources from the ocean but it doesn’t mean that you own the ocean…

Research indicates there could be enough water ice at the moon’s south pole to provide water and oxygen for long-term human habitation on the lunar surface. It could also provide hydrogen for fuel.

And once those international colonies are established on the moon—and Mars—they’ll need lawyers.

HANLON: The world needs space lawyers. I know people kind of giggle at that. But it really does. Right now, you don’t lose your nationality when you go to space. The way station does it is, in each module, whoever created that module, those laws apply. So, if you cross over into the Russian module, you are abiding by Russian law. So it will have to be hashed out by treaty how they’re going to do it…

Hanlon said laws governing a fledgling international community on the moon will probably model the laws of the International Space Station—initially. But that other-world community will eventually outgrow an agreement like the Artemis Accords.

HANLON: One of the really interesting questions we face, that I put to my students in my space law class is ‘What about crime?’ At what point does that community on the moon become its own sovereign?

And hammering out detailed laws world leaders can agree on, will likely be an out-of-this world challenge.

Reporting for WORLD, I’m Bonnie Pritchett.


MARY REICHARD: Modern cars boast some impressive safety features, thanks to creative engineers who put their minds to these things.

But what if I told you there’s a beetle that can withstand being run over by a truck and take on almost zero damage?! 

Well, the world’s most renowned engineer has designed a protective shell that can withstand compression up to 39,000 times its own weight!

Now, take note: His creation is not a Volkswagen Beetle. It’s an actual beetle. 

Scientists are studying our Creator’s remarkably intelligent design of the Nosoderma diabolicum beetle or the “diabolical ironclad beetle.” 

Researchers put the insect’s armor to the test, even running over it with a car. 

Then, using electron microscopes, they discovered the ironclad beetle’s secret. It has jigsaw-like bindings and a layered architecture that make it nearly uncrushable. 

Scientists hope that decoding the beetle’s design may lead to safer and more durable cars and planes.

It’s The World and Everything in It.


MARY REICHARD: Today is Thursday, October 22nd. You’re listening to WORLD Radio, and we are so glad you are! Good morning. I’m Mary Reichard.

MEGAN BASHAM: And I’m Megan Basham. 21st century policing. These days, we use body cameras, facial recognition software and drones. But some departments around the country are returning to a much older method of policing: Horses!

REICHARD: WORLD Senior Correspondent Myrna Brown introduces us to a man who’s spent more than half his life helping to fuel the equine comeback.

AUDIO: [CASH REGISTER NOISE]

MYRNA BROWN, REPORTER: It’s lunchtime at Fitch’s IGA. More than a grocery store, this is where people in Wilmore, Kentucky, get their milk, tools, and blue plate specials. 

AUDIO: We want a chicken pot pie and two fried chicken dinners.

Harold Rainwater is one of the regulars. After lunch, we took a ride down Mainstreet, where rows of cherry blossom trees line the sidewalk.   

HAROLD RAINWATER: Mom and dad had a dime store right there. My dad had a shoe repair shop right there. Our parents owned this restaurant. 

Rainwater was born and raised in this town of 6,000. And like his parents did, the 74-year-old wears many hats. 

HAROLD RAINWATER: I’ve been mayor for 44 years. I’ve been in “horses” for about the same amount of time.

When Rainwater became mayor of Wilmore in 1976, he also started teaching at what was then Asbury College. That’s when he says he got the idea to start an equine program at the Christian, liberal arts school. 

MYRNA TO HAROLD RAINWATER: When you first presented it to the college….It wasn’t just no, it was no, emphatically because in Kentucky when you say horse, you’re basically talking about a racehorse and around a race horse is basically gambling. And Asbury just did not want that tie.

Rainwater says he understood the resistance, but he stayed focused on the bigger picture.

HAROLD RAINWATER: I just didn’t take no. I felt God had given me a call and that was to start an equine program. So I basically just went out and got some private property and started a program on the side.

He ran that program for more than a decade, often using his own money to support his fledgling equine program. Then in 1998 the college gave him permission to start operating the program from the campus—343 acres of rolling hills alongside the Kentucky River.

HAROLD RAINWATER: And so we were like taking in horses and selling a few and training a little bit and doing trail rides.  

Rainwater says student interest was slow at first. 

HAROLD RAINWATER: So I started with two minors and one dropped out. 

Still struggling to find enough income to sustain it, Rainwater pursued a proposal to rescue, train and sell unwanted foals or baby horses, headed for slaughter.

HAROLD RAINWATER: There’s just something exciting about taking an animal that nobody wanted and making them something that a lot of people want. The only thing that didn’t happen is they didn’t have the sale and they never promoted us and no one ever wanted our horses.

But that wasn’t the end of the story. In 2007, 11 students declared equine studies as their major and Rainwater got an unexpected request from the United States Border Patrol. 

HAROLD RAINWATER: Could you train some horses for us? We already own the horses, we just want them trained. I heard you had students. And they brought me two horses to train. And then another department said I heard you’re training for the Border Patrol, would you train ours, so we had another department. So that became our new little niche. 

Today more than two dozen police departments across the nation use service mounts trained by Rainwater’s students.

HAROLD: I would never have dreamed that this program would be one of the largest programs at Asbury. It would be putting police horses literally around the nation and Canada and it would be growing at the numbers. We had 40 freshmen come in last year. So we’re really blessed.

In 2014, Rainwater added a renowned horse trainer to his team. Jesse Westfall teaches students like Olivia Schnorbus and Hope Beers. Today, they’re training  King and Kaiser, three-year-old bay-colored gelding horses.

HOPE BEERS: It’s such a neat opportunity and because it’s so unique, it’s kind of hard to put in perspective what we’re doing because no one else is doing it.

AUDIO: Get it… get it

MYRNA TO OLIVIA: You say get it… what are you saying and why are you saying that? We try to encourage their curiosity and make them braver. So ever since he was little I’ve been saying that phrase,”get it” when he’s going up to an obstacle that he might think is scary. 

Everyday for the past two years Schnorbus and Beers have been using 8-inch wooden boxes and bright orange barrels to build trust and to prepare their buddies for life beyond country hills and pastures.   

AUDIO: Good boy… good job

HAROLD RAINWATER: And hopefully we’re instilling that in them. That you have a unique opportunity to train a horse that’s basically going to be working with the public for the next 15 years. And impacting how many people, how many children, how many abuse situations, how many riots, how many funerals?  So, that’s the gift you give them. Teach trust. I think that’s a life lesson you can teach and preach.

Reporting for WORLD, I’m Myrna Brown in Wilmore, Kentucky.


BASHAM: One month after these interviews, King and Kaiser left Wilmore, Kentucky to begin their new life as police horses. Myrna followed them to their new home and returns next week for that part of their story.


MARY REICHARD: Coming up next, an excerpt from tomorrow’s episode of Listening In. This week host Warren Smith talks with apologist Justin Bailey. Bailey is professor of theology at Dordt University. He’s also the author of “Re-Imagining Apologetics: The Beauty of Faith in a Secular Age.”

MEGAN BASHAM: In this excerpt of their conversation, he suggests a shift in how to approach conversations about faith. Here’s Warren Smith. 

WARREN SMITH: Traditional apologetics might say something like this: “These are the 20 reasons that we can believe Jesus was raised from the dead, or these are the 10 key reasons that we can believe in the authority of Scripture…”

JUSTIN BAILEY: Another way to say it would be that the traditional way of doing apologetics is interested in apologetics as sort of a science, whereas I’m interested in apologetics as an art. And there’s an art to persuasion, there’s an art to conversation because there is an art to engaging people in their imagination and not just in their intellect. 

Now that doesn’t mean that we do away with the science, the science gives us method, it gives us content, but we all know those of us who are in relationships with people who might find themselves all over the spectrum of belief or unbelief, or perhaps they belong to another religion, that belief is a lot more than just ideas, there’s a whole social relational cultural context, which is the soil of belief, it’s the context in which beliefs become believable. 

And so simply to give somebody a list of reasons why they should believe without engaging that imaginative existential context, it’s really to do them a disservice. It’s interesting, it’s also not the way that faith is presented to us, is it? The Bible is not given to us in bullet point form, perhaps maybe we wish it was. We wish that there was just these are the things that you should believe because maybe we would argue less. But what God has done instead is given us really a narrative form. A story of how he has engaged with the history of Israel, and has showed up in the person of Jesus Christ, and His work through the Holy Spirit in the church. And this is the primary form that you’re given is the story, which requires us to use our intellect of course but, prior to that, it requires us to engage our imagination.


REICHARD: That’s Justin Bailey talking to Warren Smith. To hear the complete conversation, look for Listening In tomorrow wherever you get your podcasts.


MARY REICHARD: Today is Thursday, October 22nd. Good morning! This is The World and Everything in It from listener-supported WORLD Radio. I’m Mary Reichard.

MEGAN BASHAM: And I’m Megan Basham. Commentator Cal Thomas now with some suggestions for the people running the presidential debates.

CAL THOMAS, COMMENTATOR: The supposedly nonpartisan Commission on Presidential Debates has selected the following topics for tonight’s final encounter between President Trump and Joe Biden: “Fighting COVID-19,” “American Families,” “Race in America,” “Climate Change,” “National Security,” and “Leadership.” The commission also announced it will mute the microphone of the candidate who is not talking. The president opposes that rule, but it could be to his advantage since the more Biden talks the less clear he becomes.

But are these topics priorities for most voters? Not according to the Pew Research Center. Nearly eight in 10 registered voters say the economy is their number one issue, followed by health care, Supreme Court appointments, the virus, and foreign policy. Race and ethnic inequality come in at number eight and climate change ranks next to last.

Voters should be allowed to select the topics of greatest concern to them, not political elites who are likely still getting their paychecks while many Americans have lost jobs.

“Race in America” is too broad a topic. The president might say that Biden and other Democrats have not fixed the racial divide yet. Biden’s held elected offices for 47 years! Why should he be expected to do better if he becomes president? After all, he opposes school choice, which would open the door to a better future for disadvantaged children trapped in failing public schools.

Trump clearly enjoys an advantage in the “National Security” category. He has brokered a deal between the United Arab Emirates, Bahrain and Israel. He is ending America’s involvement in foreign wars. He has imposed serious sanctions on Iran. He has also made European nations pay more for their own defense.

As for leadership, I assume that will give Biden an opportunity to claim he can “bring us together.” What does that mean? Does it mean Republicans must abandon their beliefs? Better to win the argument over whose ideas work and whose have not than to embrace a group hug. The president should take advantage of this topic to say what the next four years would look like, especially with a Republican Congress, should he win re-election.

The preparations for tonight’s debate clearly show the debate commission is ready for retirement. It is 60 years old and has exceeded its sell-by date.

Instead, the candidates themselves should drive the debates. They should each get 30 minutes to outline and explain their ideas. They could then question each other. If we must have moderators, let each candidate pick one, not the commission.

The political elites and insiders are still running too much of our political system. The public would be better served if we adopted serious reforms in how we elect presidents. That should be the goal.

I’m Cal Thomas.


MEGAN BASHAM: Tomorrow: Culture Friday with John Stonestreet.

And, I’ll review a new documentary that Amazon originally didn’t want on their platform.

That and more tomorrow. 

I’m Megan Basham.

MARY REICHARD: And I’m Mary Reichard.

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